pecota update has the phils at 89 wins, behind the dodgers (92) but a hair ahead of the nats. zips has us at 88, and has the nats (89), dodgers, and maybe cubs ahead. steamer/fangraphs still hates us a bit and project just 86 wins. in all systems, the phils have added 8-10 wins of talent in one offseason.
hard to believe, harry....
by the way, by adding machado the pads moved all the way up to the win expectation that the phils had at the start of the offseason (79-ish).
[addendum, concerning a pet peeve: syzmborkski, the zips guru, is taking over maintainance of the fangraphs depth charts simulated win totals and promises that they will soon be less out-of-step with zips... hopefully that means fixing the (park effect?) weirdness of teams from the same division having simulated win totals moving in the opposite direction relative to their depth charts fwar projections by amounts that can't be explained by having different out-of-division opponents]

That MLBINSIDER_ account admitted to being fake and a parody and apologized. Insane how many people believed the fraud.

more fangraphs depth charts amazingness:
three of the phils 4 most fwar valuable (other was galvis) players in 2016 are now aged 28y9m, 27y2m, and 26y,6m, so not really in their declining years... but still have dropped to being projected as their 6th, 7th, and 8th most valuable position players.
i'm not very high on cesar, odubel, and maik anymore... but their ages imply that all three still have a decent shot at having a career year, which would offset an off-year by one of the new guys.
and, of course, harper and realmuto and segura and hoskins also all are in their prime years.

when was the last time the phils had this many everyday players in their prime? 2007 comes to mind:
ruiz 28
howard 27
utley 28
rollins 28
victorino 26
werth 28
burrell 30
on paper, the current lineup is a pretty good match for that group in talent, and about a year younger on average.

Shadow wrote:David Samson gave his breakdown on how the deal got done. He said it basically when down(mostly) like we all were figuring on here. They would not accept anything under Stanton's deal, they told every team that, that's all they ever asked for, no team was offering that, Harper started to get antsy, Boras told him not to panic he's gonna get you the deal. He gets the Dodgers and Giants involved, Middleton gets nervous and flies out to Vegas. When there tells him they aren't going to surpass Stanton yet among the things they discussed, Boras goes back to the Dodgers, to try to get them to go long-term, but they wouldn't, so he goes back to the Giants. Then Middleton gets nervous, Klentak and MacPhail implore him not to up his offer, but Middleton ignores it and says oh fuck we can't let the fans down we gotta get this guy, ups the offer to beat Stanton and Boras says thanks that's all we wanted. Done deal.

This makes sense when coupled with your previous post. And it’s an appropriate approach from Klentak/MacPhail if Trout has tipped his hand about coming here.

Have we decided where we want to go with Bryce?

Cesar
Segura
Bryce
Rhys
JT
Andrew
Odubrel
Kingsley
Nola

The Savior wrote:Cesar
Segura
Bryce
Rhys
JT
Andrew
Odubrel
Kingsley
Nola

Cesar
Cutch/Segura
Bryce
Rhys
JT
Odubel (to break up the righties)
Maikel
P
Segura/Cutch (2nd lead-off)

Randy Miller’s source was spot on.

Chuck's lineup looks good to me

I'm intrigued by Kingsley

Shadow wrote:I love how we were pumping out 50 pages a day, but the day he signed we fall short

I guess most of those threads before were boredom and nervous chatter.

Now everyone can get back to their lives. I legit lost sleep over this.

true. The Process is some of the funner parts to me, unwound kinetic energy just bouncing around the room. It's the build to get there. All of us and our thoughts multiplying and finding the right shape for the super organism. Yesterday was collective relief. Slept better than I have in awhile.

or maybe that's just how philly fans do. I seem to remember that most of our teams gdts get more traffic after a loss than after a win.

There are some nice options at the moment with line ups. Cesar & Segura both get on base, maybe a new approach for the King reveals something, Maikel is in the best shape of his life, Hoskins has less pressure on him, and Realmuto is a fundamental change with the stick since his away splits are now his everyday numbers. I'm not sure what happens with Nick & Altherr. Quinn actually lucks out due to position.

At least David Jones is consistent with the not-a-Philly-guy schtick

Now he’s being paid the type of money no one in Philadelphia has ever made – that no one in the sport of baseball ever has – over a stretch of 13 years, without an opt-out clause. This is a hard marriage.

So, you’re mixing a rather sullen and unsmiling athlete unfamiliar with a passionate fan base with a city notorious for that sort of fan. You’re combining an unprecedented free agent contract with a city that, by and large, has enjoyed teams built organically.

The column mentions Kapler skepticism too, and I agree on that front. I want Gabe to work out, but pretty sure Bryce will get him fired maybe as soon as this summer.

Rockinghorse wrote:At least David Jones is consistent with the not-a-Philly-guy schtick

Now he’s being paid the type of money no one in Philadelphia has ever made – that no one in the sport of baseball ever has – over a stretch of 13 years, without an opt-out clause. This is a hard marriage.

So, you’re mixing a rather sullen and unsmiling athlete unfamiliar with a passionate fan base with a city notorious for that sort of fan. You’re combining an unprecedented free agent contract with a city that, by and large, has enjoyed teams built organically.

The column mentions Kapler skepticism too, and I agree on that front. I want Gabe to work out, but pretty sure Bryce will get him fired maybe as soon as this summer.

Dunno, seems like Bryce and Gabe are cut from the same cloth. Pretty sure everything will work out a-ok.

Shadow wrote:That MLBINSIDER_ account admitted to being fake and a parody and apologized. Insane how many people believed the fraud.

Devastating.

People believed that douche?

Napalm wrote:

Shadow wrote:I love how we were pumping out 50 pages a day, but the day he signed we fall short

I guess most of those threads before were boredom and nervous chatter.

Now everyone can get back to their lives. I legit lost sleep over this.

true. The Process is some of the funner parts to me, unwound kinetic energy just bouncing around the room. It's the build to get there. All of us and our thoughts multiplying and finding the right shape for the super organism. Yesterday was collective relief. Slept better than I have in awhile.

or maybe that's just how philly fans do. I seem to remember that most of our teams gdts get more traffic after a loss than after a win.

We also sort of already talked for months about Bryce and this team and what it could do going forward if we got him. Now he signs an uncontroversially good contract (compared to what we all expected) and there isn’t really much more ground to cover at the moment.

Given that the Phillies attendance the last 4 years has been between like 1.85-2.1 million and at its peak 2011 was 3.75m I think its conceivable that our attendance goes up 1million this year. For real.

Squire wrote:Given that the Phillies attendance the last 4 years has been between like 1.85-2.1 million and at its peak 2011 was 3.75m I think its conceivable that our attendance goes up 1million this year. For real.

Conceivable!

Squire wrote:Given that the Phillies attendance the last 4 years has been between like 1.85-2.1 million and at its peak 2011 was 3.75m I think its conceivable that our attendance goes up 1million this year. For real.

Already sold 100k+ tickets after the news broke and they were already 200k ahead of last year
Wow