CFP wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:TULO announced his retirement

Good career, but really looked like he'd be one of the best shortstops ever in his mid 20s.

Was he not that? I mean his numbers from 07-14, pretty damn good. That's eight years of sustained performance. He was one of the best shortstops ever if you ask me.

I guess I could have phrased it as having one of the best careers of a shortstop ever. Certainly his performance at his peak was some of the best ever seen,though surprised that his 7-year peak war is still slightly below that of the average HoF shortstop. But too abbreviated to considered with Wagenr and Ripken and Banks, not to mention that centaur guy and the other Yankees shortstop whose name escapes me.

Was always a fan of the TULO chant.

stevelxa476 wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:

WhiteyFan wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:For as much crap as TMac gets, and rightfully so most of the time, I'd take him 10 times out of 10 over Hawk Harrelson.

Hawk is a tough one for me. His "you can put it on the booooaaaaarrd, YES!" after a HR is probably the dumbest call in MLB, but his "he gone" after a strikeout is probably one of the greatest.

Worst announcer in baseball is the horrible Yankees guy with all his dumb rhymes. Like nails on a chalkboard.

Is that the SEE YA! guy?

Michael Kay?

Michael Kay is the SEE YA! guy, but I think Whitey is talking about John Sterling. "An A-Bomb! From A-Rod!"

The thing about Sterling is that he has a wonderful voice and would be great if he would just dial that shit back. But to me far more obnoxious than even the stupid little names or whatever for HRs is when, after a 9-2 win over the Royals in June, he'll go into his, after the final out, "The Yankees Win! The Yankees Win! THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YANKEES … … … WIN!!!!!!" like they just won Game 7 of the World Series to win a championship for the first time in a thousand years on a walk-off ultimate grand slam.

Like fuck you dude.

Also, Harrelson retired, but I rather liked "Put it on the board - YES!" and found "He gone" to be a little over done.

So exactly the opposite of WhiteyFan.

Wolfgang622 wrote:found "He gone" to be a little over done.

Hawk first brought the phrase to general America. Duck Dynasty ran it into the ground.

CFP wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:TULO announced his retirement

Good career, but really looked like he'd be one of the best shortstops ever in his mid 20s.

Was he not that? I mean his numbers from 07-14, pretty damn good. That's eight years of sustained performance. He was one of the best shortstops ever if you ask me.

He was that caliber from 2009-2011, hurt in 2012, then again 2013-2014. 5 years and a quarter of another. Sucked in 2008, good not great in 2007, and pretty poor from age 30 on.

And he was in Colorado. They don't let Larry Walker in, then Tulo has no shot, right? Walker was great, played great elsewhere, and played forever.

Shore wrote:

CFP wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:TULO announced his retirement

Good career, but really looked like he'd be one of the best shortstops ever in his mid 20s.

Was he not that? I mean his numbers from 07-14, pretty damn good. That's eight years of sustained performance. He was one of the best shortstops ever if you ask me.

He was that caliber from 2009-2011, hurt in 2012, then again 2013-2014. 5 years and a quarter of another. Sucked in 2008, good not great in 2007, and pretty poor from age 30 on.

And he was in Colorado. They don't let Larry Walker in, then Tulo has no shot, right? Walker was great, played great elsewhere, and played forever.

Sure, I don't think he's getting in the Hall. B-Ref has him at 44.2 WAR, at 34th all time for SS. Tied with Nomar in WAR actually. Wouldn't consider either a Hall of Famer, but I'd consider them damn good shortstops.

too long since my last trout post, so... i submit the follow as additional evidence that my obsession with trout is justified:
his july wrc+ is 216 (not including yesterday), despite a babip of just .200. that should not be possible! only two of the 189 qualified hitters have a higher july wrc+, and their babips are .354 (guriel, wrc+ 248) and .429 (laureano, wrc+ 226). the next highest wrc+ with babip under .300 are donaldson (.279, 180) and cruz (.239, 174). along with cruz, bregman's may (.195, 158) and pederson's april (.194, 149) are the only two monthly splits this season anywhere near trout's combination of low babip and high wrc+, and those may be in the ballpark, but not within spitting or throwing or maybe even stanton-hr-hitting distance of trout. bonds' may split in 2002 is the closest i could find (.216, 223), but bonds benefited from being walked a ridiculous (but also understandable) 28% of the time, and trout has been walked only half as often this month. trout > bonds on roids. even for just this unusual type of monthly split, the only appropriate response is "yikes!"

Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

BigEd76 wrote:Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

And only one of four with 650+ HRs and 3,000+ H's.

stevelxa476 wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

And only one of four with 650+ HRs and 3,000+ H's.

And only one w 650 HR and 650 doubles

we're venturing into mccarthy territory here

and the ONLY PLAYER WITH 650 HOME RUNS TO BE BORN IN THE DOMINICAN IN JANUARY OF A LEAP YEAR

Only player with 650 HRs w poo in his name.

Career OPS:

STL - 1.037
LAA - .767

In his 8th year with the Angels now, after 11 in STL. He's sucked* for 7 of the LAA years.

*sucked is relative to expectations. Don't think anyone wanted a .767 OPS out of him in year 2 of his new deal, even if it was 16% better than league average.

swishnicholson wrote:

CFP wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:TULO announced his retirement

Good career, but really looked like he'd be one of the best shortstops ever in his mid 20s.

Was he not that? I mean his numbers from 07-14, pretty damn good. That's eight years of sustained performance. He was one of the best shortstops ever if you ask me.

I guess I could have phrased it as having one of the best careers of a shortstop ever. Certainly his performance at his peak was some of the best ever seen,though surprised that his 7-year peak war is still slightly below that of the average HoF shortstop. But too abbreviated to considered with Wagenr and Ripken and Banks, not to mention that centaur guy and the other Yankees shortstop whose name escapes me.

Banks is weird in that he was a crazy good hitter and also a SS through about age 30, then he switched to 1B and became a fairly average hitter (and likely not very good for 1st base but still pretty good)

Bucky wrote:we're venturing into mccarthy territory here

and the ONLY PLAYER WITH 650 HOME RUNS TO BE BORN IN THE DOMINICAN IN JANUARY OF A LEAP YEAR

Stripes wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

And only one of four with 650+ HRs and 3,000+ H's.

And only one w 650 HR and 650 doubles

Well he is only one one of six with 650 HRs. Surprised none of the others have 650 career doubles though.

BatFlipsFTW wrote:

Stripes wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

And only one of four with 650+ HRs and 3,000+ H's.

And only one w 650 HR and 650 doubles

Well he is only one one of six with 650 HRs. Surprised none of the others have 650 career doubles though.

His 387 GIDP is a record that will quite likely never be broken. 37 ahead of the next best. Top ten are all great players though-plus Julio Franco.

Here's a random question for the people that followed baseball in the 80s:

Before 1985, the playoff format was 2-3 and home field advantage was simply alternated between divisions each year, just like the World Series.

In 1983, the Phils (NL East) and White Sox (AL West) had HFA, and the AL had HFA in the WS.
In 1984, the Padres (NL West) and Tigers (AL East) had HFA, and the NL had HFA in the WS.

In 1985, when they expanded to 7-game series and went to the 2-3-2 format, the NL West and AL East still had HFA instead of rotating as usual.
In 1986, it was still NL West and AL East with HFA for a third consecutive year.
In 1987, they finally continued the rotation.

Was an explanation ever given as to why they didn't rotate HFA in 1985 when they switched formats? I did some searching and couldn't find anything. KC ended up winning game 7 at Toronto, but they could've been screwed that year.

swishnicholson wrote:

BatFlipsFTW wrote:

Stripes wrote:

stevelxa476 wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:Pooholes reached 650 career HRs, the sixth player to do it

And only one of four with 650+ HRs and 3,000+ H's.

And only one w 650 HR and 650 doubles

Well he is only one one of six with 650 HRs. Surprised none of the others have 650 career doubles though.

His 387 GIDP is a record that will quite likely never be broken. 37 ahead of the next best. Top ten are all great players though-plus Julio Franco.

The downside to having a lot of bat speed is that your grounders get to the infielders really quickly.