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Postby pacino » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:54:01

don't really care about the money since it's not mine and we have almost nothing tied up

this comes off in time to back up the truck for Trout, anyway

I don't get the outrage
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:54:02

Maybe the NL will be adopting the DH and nobody knows but Klentak.
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby SixerLed3 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:54:15

The deal includes a 4-year club option for $17.5 million.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Grotewold » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:54:49

Gelb wrote:All offseason, GM Matt Klentak has said the organization’s priorities were to let their young position players play in 2018. He said it this week, too. Something changed.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:55:31

cartersDad26 wrote:guys, we have so much money to burn. 3 years is a good deal these days. Feel like 4/5 years ago this would be a 5/$100+m deal

Santana has put up Abreu-esque consistent numbers for 7 straight years.

Losing a 2nd round pick and blocking our best player's position isn't great for a 32 year old declining player.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Eem » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:55:41

They're either going in on Machado or a high-end arm.
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:55:51

Grotewold wrote:
Gelb wrote:All offseason, GM Matt Klentak has said the organization’s priorities were to let their young position players play in 2018. He said it this week, too. Something changed.


One of the young OFers gave Klentak a wedgie and this is how he's responding.
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby 702 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:55:58

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Shore » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:56:42

I like my sluggers to... slug.

Has never slugged even .500 in a major league season. Career under .450. This is kinda nuts, IMO. Like the OBP, but a LOT of things have to break right for this to work, and not much has to go wrong for this to suck. Seems like a poor gamble, and early. Even if there's another shoe, I can't see see it. Dealing Hoskins for Machado better bring a negotiation window.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:56:44

Grotewold wrote:
Gelb wrote:All offseason, GM Matt Klentak has said the organization’s priorities were to let their young position players play in 2018. He said it this week, too. Something changed.


He never said which team they’d play for.
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:56:56

Eem wrote:They're either going in on Machado or a high-end arm.

Again that is great, but there is no reason to sign Santana to make that happen.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Eem » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:57:20

heyeaglefn wrote:
Eem wrote:They're either going in on Machado or a high-end arm.

Again that is great, but there is no reason to sign Santana to make that happen.

They're going to play Hoskins in LF and trade Altherr or Williams
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Eem » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:57:49

Salisbury says Hoskins is playing LF
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby heyeaglefn » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:58:08

Eem wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
Eem wrote:They're either going in on Machado or a high-end arm.

Again that is great, but there is no reason to sign Santana to make that happen.

They're going to play Hoskins in LF and trade Altherr or Williams

They could have done that anyway is my point. Don't need Santana to make that plan happen unless there are zero 1B out there other than him.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:58:41

Steaks:

Reports of Phillies agreement w Santana are accurate. 3 years, 60 mill. Hoskins will play much LF. Frees up any other OF for trade. Rebuild ramped up.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Shore » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:59:04

cartersDad26 wrote:guys, we have so much money to burn. 3 years is a good deal these days. Feel like 4/5 years ago this would be a 5/$100+m deal

Santana has put up Abreu-esque consistent numbers for 7 straight years.



He's 50 points of average, 30 points of OBP, and 70 points of SLG short. 100 points of OPS is a LOT.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby pacino » Fri Dec 15, 2017 14:59:16

I assumed some guys would be dealt.

they aren't waiting around
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 15:01:23

I'm guessing they're going after a Chris Archer type guy. Williams, Cesar and some prospect arms could probably do it.

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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby mtcal » Fri Dec 15, 2017 15:01:38

heyeaglefn wrote:
cartersDad26 wrote:guys, we have so much money to burn. 3 years is a good deal these days. Feel like 4/5 years ago this would be a 5/$100+m deal

Santana has put up Abreu-esque consistent numbers for 7 straight years.

Losing a 2nd round pick and blocking our best player's position isn't great for a 32 year old declining player.


i know hoskins was gamebusters for a month but he's our best player? i think i need to see more before i say that and i'm a rhys-lover.
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Re: Phillies Sign 1B Carlos Santana

Postby Shore » Fri Dec 15, 2017 15:01:40

Hopefully we sell high on Altherr.

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