2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injuries

Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby CFP » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:04:24

Titlehungry wrote:There is no competitive fire here... I put that on the vets like G, Voracek, Simmonds... maybe they are comfortable and need a trade... but the biggest things in my estimation are the lack of any offensive depth after Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier... Simmonds hasn't been Simmonds... Patrick has had injuries... who the heck else is there... Fillipula, Lehtera, Weise, Raffl... I thought Jordan Weal was gonna be a stud so much that we couldn't think to part with him... outside of Patrick, our bottom 9 flat out suck... also, you have two platoon goalies in Neuvirth and Elliott that can't win you any games... and apparently can't stop a puck in OT or a shootout... these are both backups in a perfect situation... I hope Carter Hart or Felix Sandstrom is a legit number one goalie... it would be nice to have one of those but until they are here and are proven, who knows


I haven't tuned in to every minute of the losing streak, particularly the last 3 or 4 games, but G and Voracek have been two of the best players on the roster, no? Hard to say they're lacking competitive fire. Those two and Coots are clearly the best three forwards thus far, and I'm not sure you can pin any blame on them.

Here's a thought: the roster is poorly constructed and they just flat out suck.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:06:28

Giroux has been good, Voracek has made so many mental mistakes and isn't scoring like he should be imo. He is getting paid big bucks has 7 goals I think.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:08:34

I haven't watched them much this year, so I'm really going off of the perception I get from the box scores and highlights not full games. I'm seeing that they blow a ton of 3rd period leads and let up a lot of goals, just checked the overall stats and they are 20th in GA/g (3.04) and 21st if GF/g (2.8), just doesn't seem too inspiring and the consensus is that the goalie play has been pretty good, so I dunno just seems like the way they've been touted, I was expecting a better overall team this year and they just suck and are boring.
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Titlehungry » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:11:18

CFP wrote:
Titlehungry wrote:There is no competitive fire here... I put that on the vets like G, Voracek, Simmonds... maybe they are comfortable and need a trade... but the biggest things in my estimation are the lack of any offensive depth after Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier... Simmonds hasn't been Simmonds... Patrick has had injuries... who the heck else is there... Fillipula, Lehtera, Weise, Raffl... I thought Jordan Weal was gonna be a stud so much that we couldn't think to part with him... outside of Patrick, our bottom 9 flat out suck... also, you have two platoon goalies in Neuvirth and Elliott that can't win you any games... and apparently can't stop a puck in OT or a shootout... these are both backups in a perfect situation... I hope Carter Hart or Felix Sandstrom is a legit number one goalie... it would be nice to have one of those but until they are here and are proven, who knows


I haven't tuned in to every minute of the losing streak, particularly the last 3 or 4 games, but G and Voracek have been two of the best players on the roster, no? Hard to say they're lacking competitive fire. Those two and Coots are clearly the best three forwards thus far, and I'm not sure you can pin any blame on them.

Here's a thought: the roster is poorly constructed and they just flat out suck.


I think G, Voracek, and Simmonds (outside of this season) have been 3 of the 4 most productive players on the ice with Couturier but the team as a whole isn't playing with fire and intensity... what's needed to get to loose pucks, make the big hit when needed, lock down late game leads and take over games in OT... with so many young kids, this usually has to come from the vets and it's missing so yes, I'd say that falls on the few vets on the team... production wise, it's been Giroux's best year in ages, Voracek still is doling out assists and it's been the offensive breakout we've wanted from Coots... most of the blame really goes to, IMO, no offensive depth after these guys and the lack of a top goalie who can win a game or at least hold down a game which you lead late
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Titlehungry » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:28:23

The way I'd best explain what I see the last few weeks is this way...

We have a 3-1 lead after two...

heading to the third, we have a defense which has young inexperienced talent mixed with mediocre vets which are prone to making a mistake or two... we also have a second, third, and fourth line which aren't capable of providing insurance goals if the top line stops producing... we don't have the talented goalie who can cover up these issues with stellar play...

we end up tied 3-3 after regulation and overtime is just an exercise in futility with the only question being do we lose in 3 on 3 or in a shootout?

Either way, we lose 4-3
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby stevemc » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:35:00

That team had absolutely no life last night. The third period was like a funeral march. They did everything to simply keep the clock running to get the game over with. Why not lay a big hit? Why not do SOMETHING to ignite the team (FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!). The team needs a wake up call in the worst of ways.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:40:49

stevemc wrote:That team had absolutely no life last night. The third period was like a funeral march. They did everything to simply keep the clock running to get the game over with. Why not lay a big hit? Why not do SOMETHING to ignite the team (FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!). The team needs a wake up call in the worst of ways.


Simply put, the team isn’t constructed to do that.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Squire » Wed Nov 29, 2017 14:57:55

Is there something about Hakstol's system that just mutes offensive talent. At least at one point in their careers Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Konecny, etc. were viewed as offensive minded playmakers and now they are just boring and completely unproductive. And I know its ridiculously early but if GMs were split 50/50 on Heschier and Patrick I doubt there is any split right now.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Nov 29, 2017 18:09:02

Hextall on, seems proud they are the 7th youngest team when they were 28th a few years ago. You gotta do more than just get young though.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Nov 29, 2017 18:21:05

heyeaglefn wrote:Hextall on, seems proud they are the 7th youngest team when they were 28th a few years ago. You gotta do more than just get young though.


you gotta get young and then trade them to get younger.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby traderdave » Wed Nov 29, 2017 18:31:33

heyeaglefn wrote:Hextall on, seems proud they are the 7th youngest team when they were 28th a few years ago. You gotta do more than just get young though.


Did he mention how he feels about them being 26th in the league in points, eight points behind an expansion team which has two games in hand?

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby The Savior » Wed Nov 29, 2017 23:32:20

We trade giroux yet?
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 30, 2017 15:50:00

In our 17 losses this season we were tied or in the lead going into the 3rd in 9 of them. I don't know what it is, but this team cannot close. I don't know if they start playing not to lose, if they're just poorly conditioned, or what.
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby heyeaglefn » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:20:56

Good start today.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Squire » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:21:21

Down 3-0 in the second, I can't recall a team looking this helpless out there.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby threecount » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:22:12

When are these fans going to say enough is enough and stop going to the games?

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby heyeaglefn » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:23:28

Squire wrote:Down 3-0 in the second, I can't recall a team looking this helpless out there.

They were like this most afternoon games a few years ago.

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Ace Rothstein » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:25:34

They won 10 in a row last year and missed the playoffs maybe this year they’ll lose 10 in a row and make the playoffs

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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby Titlehungry » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:29:32

Hope Hextall is happy with how they are playing... I'm assuming not well since it's 3-0 but I'm not watching
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Re: 2017-18 Flyers Season II: Rookie Ds and Upper-Body Injur

Postby heyeaglefn » Sat Dec 02, 2017 15:35:24

Titlehungry wrote:Hope Hextall is happy with how they are playing... I'm assuming not well since it's 3-0 but I'm not watching

He actually seemed fine with their performance in the interview the other day. And like that another Giroux goal.

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