doors to the locker room are still closed

might just watch this on loop instead of the next game.

100x more exciting.

Philadelphia fans really are the worst.

The axe has got to be coming for Hakstol, right? Take points out of the equation and they're 8-17 through 25 games. I would guess that's way below even what Hextall expected for this season.

I would think they would axe Lappy first, then Hakstol.

swishnicholson wrote:Philadelphia fans really are the worst.

???

Either some coach gets fired or a player gets traded imo.

The only ones who you might trade are Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier and they are only ones putting up points... plus we need a non retread goalie

simmonds is someone that should go.

Only 6 points out of the wild card!

ReadingPhilly wrote:simmonds is someone that should go.

He is making about half the amount Voracek is and they are similar ages. I guess Wayne has more trade value because of his contract and the length but I'd rather see Jake go honestly but both of them probably could go if they are going to burn it down and go all young.

heyeaglefn wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:simmonds is someone that should go.

He is making about half the amount Voracek is and they are similar ages. I guess Wayne has more trade value because of his contract and the length but I'd rather see Jake go honestly but both of them probably could go if they are going to burn it down and go all young.

yeah no interest in giving him a long-term deal that starts at 31. i'd obviously trade jake too but i doubt he has any market.

The organization has tried firing GMs and HCs with no real increase in success. Firing Hakstol or Hextall at this point would only add more instability to the organization. Hextall has a five year plan that he installed when he took over the GM job- rebuild the team through the draft from the nets out. He has stockpiled what will be atop level defense in the near future. Add Hart and Sandstrom to the goalie situation and that position will be fixed. He's working on the forwards with Konecny, Patrick and other players in Juniors, college and the A.
That means that the fault lies with the current veteran players; especially the forwards. It's time to move some of them, even the "big" names. Coots is a keeper to build around but any other forward over the age of 25 should be shopped and if a fair return can be had, traded. They aren't winners and have proven that over the last few seasons.
There is an uncompetitive culture on this club. It shows on the ice. If there's a loose puck out there, the opposition will most likely get it. Hakstol has contributed to this uncompetitive atmosphere by relying on the veterans too much. The young defenseman are green but their more talented than players like Manning. The need to be used in clutch situations.

I think most thought they'd be further along in the 5 year plan since I think he was hired in 2013 and we are about to turn to 2018 here. Sure their farm system looks good and he lucked into getting Patrick, but still he has to be disappointed with how bad things have been over the past year or so.

Showing patience and drafting guys is pretty much the easiest thing you could do if you have unlimited job security and don't care how bad the NHL team is, so I am not exactly patting him on the back at this point.

Not sure how much change can be expected when your favorite hockey team's GM says stuff like this (recognizing the "what did you expect him to say" factor):

“If you look at the way we’ve played from the start of the year, I’m pretty good with the way our team has played the last nine games,’’ GM Ron Hextall insisted in the Flyers locker room after Tuesday night’s loss. “I think tonight we ran out of energy. Obviously, results lately are not very good. We deserve better, but we haven’t gotten better. Obviously, we gotta find a way.’’

I feel like we’ve been hearing for the past 3 years about how we have all of these young defensemen in the pipeline and in a few years we’ll have this great young defense. Where is it? Ghost has been awesome, but that’s pretty much it. I’ll freely admit that I don’t know much about the minors in hockey, but I don’t ever remember hearing about young guys for multiple years and not seeing them at some point.

the future d core should be prov/sanheim/morin/myers/ghost. prov is a stud. sanheim should be ok. not sure what they're doing with morin. myers has had a lot of injuries. ghost has been good on offense but pretty bad on defense. we'll see about the goalies. they're probably still three years away at best.

the biggest problem is the roster isn't a rebuilding roster or a competitive roster. it's just boring. i think hextall has zero clue how to build a team at the nhl level. the flyers had to have been the worst team in the league when it came to adjusting to the salary cap era. it was a great when they could spend whatever they wanted, but it's been how long now and they still struggle with the concept.

you can blame the veterans, but i think that's the result of the flyers being so easy to play against. it's been a one line team for years now. that's very simple to game plan for.

Bill McNeal wrote:I feel like we’ve been hearing for the past 3 years about how we have all of these young defensemen in the pipeline and in a few years we’ll have this great young defense. Where is it? Ghost has been awesome, but that’s pretty much it. I’ll freely admit that I don’t know much about the minors in hockey, but I don’t ever remember hearing about young guys for multiple years and not seeing them at some point.

Don't you think that it's coming together? Ghost, Provorov, Sanheim, Hagg and Morin (who should be here). Then there's Myers at LV. I understand why Hextall doesn't want any of the younger players to be put in positions where they might fail and stall their growth but these guys should be playing. Every night that I watch the Flyers I am impressed by the play of the young guys. Its the veterans like Manning that have made a mess out of things and Gudas with his brain cramps. Actually AMac hasn't played that poorly. Most of the clowns like MDZ, Schultz and Streit are gone.

There is no competitive fire here... I put that on the vets like G, Voracek, Simmonds... maybe they are comfortable and need a trade... but the biggest things in my estimation are the lack of any offensive depth after Giroux, Voracek, and Couturier... Simmonds hasn't been Simmonds... Patrick has had injuries... who the heck else is there... Fillipula, Lehtera, Weise, Raffl... I thought Jordan Weal was gonna be a stud so much that we couldn't think to part with him... outside of Patrick, our bottom 9 flat out suck... also, you have two platoon goalies in Neuvirth and Elliott that can't win you any games... and apparently can't stop a puck in OT or a shootout... these are both backups in a perfect situation... I hope Carter Hart or Felix Sandstrom is a legit number one goalie... it would be nice to have one of those but until they are here and are proven, who knows

Elliot has been playing pretty dang well throughout the losing streak. The Pens had like 80+ shot attempts on Monday and I think 53 Shots on Goal. The Goalie situation feels more like two years ago when Neuvirth and Mason were fine to good, but for long stretches the team was doing little to help.