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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby phatj » Mon Jul 23, 2018 22:41:56

The discussion of robot umpires got me thinking of something that has bothered me for a long time -- the vertical aspect of the strike zone. Anyone else in favor of standardizing it regardless of batter height/stance? I think that would be a necessity for robot ball/strike calls but even with human umpires I can't see why different batters should by definition get different strike zones.
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jul 23, 2018 22:44:11

I don't think the strike zone should be the same for someone who is 10 inches taller than another player. I think the technology could handle it.

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby phatj » Mon Jul 23, 2018 22:57:41

heyeaglefn wrote:I don't think the strike zone should be the same for someone who is 10 inches taller than another player. I think the technology could handle it.

I dunno, the width stays the same though taller players generally have longer reach.

Now that I think of it though, a standardized strike zone might ultimately result in a "natural" selection for players within a narrower range of height. If the standardized strike zone is larger than what smaller players get today, they would have a hard time covering it, and if it is lower than what taller players get today, they would have a really hard time with low strikes.
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jul 23, 2018 23:39:04

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby lethal » Mon Jul 23, 2018 23:41:21

phatj wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:I don't think the strike zone should be the same for someone who is 10 inches taller than another player. I think the technology could handle it.

I dunno, the width stays the same though taller players generally have longer reach.

Now that I think of it though, a standardized strike zone might ultimately result in a "natural" selection for players within a narrower range of height. If the standardized strike zone is larger than what smaller players get today, they would have a hard time covering it, and if it is lower than what taller players get today, they would have a really hard time with low strikes.


Randy Johnson and Jose Altuve should not have the same strike zone for a myriad of reasons that I'm too tired to articulate right now.

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 17:45:03

Really lovely story on old friend & rival Dale Murphy and his HOF eligibility. Hope he gets in. I always thought the powers that be should have made sure Buck O’Neill got in before he passed, on similar grounds.

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 19:08:05

Andre Ethier announced his retirement

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Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:09:39

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby BigEd76 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:53:55

Just a bunch of relievers and AAA call-ups starting for them until the injured guys get back ... and they still beat the Yankees 2 outta 3 this week

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby Stripes » Thu Jul 26, 2018 19:00:55

BigEd76 wrote:Just a bunch of relievers and AAA call-ups starting for them until the injured guys get back ... and they still beat the Yankees 2 outta 3 this week


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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 14:31:59

You want to know what the difference in baseball is between now and then? Check out the video below from the April 12, 1986 tilt between the Mets and Phillies at Veterans Stadium. They are discussing how Carlton has been reluctant to use his fastball. Joe Garigola mentions that "it is still good enough" to get hitters out because it was clocked at 86MPH. 27:25 mark, approximately.

I know Jamie Moyer got away with this but generally speaking - yikes.

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby pacino » Fri Jul 27, 2018 14:47:55

tbf, some of that may be radar gun adjustments
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby iladelph53 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 14:50:03

pacino wrote:also, why is matt chapman so high


he's an excellent defender by all accounts
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby smitty » Fri Jul 27, 2018 16:42:17

pacino wrote:tbf, some of that may be radar gun adjustments


The radar guns improved over the years. Further, now they measure pitch speed from out of the hand instead of when it crossed the plate. This added 3-4 mph to a pitcher's fastball.

JUGS gun info.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/JUGS_gun
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby Slowhand » Fri Jul 27, 2018 16:59:30

ek wrote:what did Gooden throw


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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Jul 27, 2018 17:03:51

smitty wrote:
pacino wrote:tbf, some of that may be radar gun adjustments


The radar guns improved over the years. Further, now they measure pitch speed from out of the hand instead of when it crossed the plate. This added 3-4 mph to a pitcher's fastball.

JUGS gun info.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/JUGS_gun


This is still generally true, but the methods have changed. Pitch F/X, which had been standard for a few years and is what was used when they started posting velocity, uses a point ranging from 50-55 feet from the plate-so faster than if a ball was measured crossing the plate, but not THE fastest. however last year MLB switched to Stat Cast which takes the highest velocity throughout the pitch's path-i.e. right after it leaves the pitcher's hand.

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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby stevelxa476 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 18:38:41

ek wrote:what did Gooden throw


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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby momadance » Fri Jul 27, 2018 19:11:52

ek wrote:what did Gooden throw


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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:04:01

The thing about technology to "get the call right" is what we really mean by technology. Clocks and instant replay reviews don't themselves overrule people, they are tools used by people. The replay doesn't make the call, someone watching the replay does. Using a robot to call balls and strikes changes that dynamic--I can't see using such a system but retaining the ability of umpire to overrule the robot.

To me, the question is how big a problem is the human umpire? How many balls and strikes are called incorrectly? Are robot umpires a solution in search of a problem? Does solving this problem make the game more enjoyable for the fans?

As I've noted in my (apparently not widely shared) opinions on all this, being entertained as a fan is more important than "getting the call right". It seems to me that long delays to review video do not serve the purpose of entertaining the fan, and if we must have video review, if it's not obvious after 30 seconds that the call on the field was incorrect, then let it stand. But I don't think robots calling balls and strikes would diminish the entertainment value of the game at all. On the other hand, I'm not sure if it would improve the game either.
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Re: Random MLB Thoughts: "I missed a parade to marry Kate Up

Postby swishnicholson » Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:38:24

The guy definitely has a point

Baseball's biggest problem isn't strikeouts or analytics or pace of play.

It's curmudgeonly broadcasters that piss on the current game and players. You know what's a bad way to sell a product to young fans? Screaming "get off my lawn!" every night.


Though I would add that's it's not a great selling point to veteran fans either to insist constantly that the game has gone downhill.
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