Trammell's numbers aren't quite as good as I remember (I had it in my head that he was on the doorstep of 3000 hits), but I guess for the era they were pretty darn good for a SS. Not much worse than Larkin who is in. Morris is a joke. Pretty blah HOF year.

Dale Scott retired after a few concussions.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/mlb/la-sp ... story.html

Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He gets $50MM/year. Teams tend to just length the contracts instead of giving absurd annual costs. Maybe it would be $600MM over 12 years?

Good hypo here, I'm going under werthless contract because of nerds snarking on his defense. Imagine a Keith law insider article on babe Ruth's defense comparing him to Miguel cabrera

mozartpc27 wrote:Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He probably would have been made to lose weight and stop eating hot dogs and drinking beer all game. I wish I could watch him have one at bat against someone like Kershaw.

WilliamC wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He probably would have been made to lose weight and stop eating hot dogs and drinking beer all game. I wish I could watch him have one at bat against someone like Kershaw.

Read that as "I wish I could watch him have one [hot dog while] at bat against someone like Kershaw," which I wholeheartedly endorse.

joe table wrote:Good hypo here, I'm going under werthless contract because of nerds snarking on his defense. Imagine a Keith law insider article on babe Ruth's defense comparing him to Miguel cabrera

What would Trout get as a free agent now?

mozartpc27 wrote:

WilliamC wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He probably would have been made to lose weight and stop eating hot dogs and drinking beer all game. I wish I could watch him have one at bat against someone like Kershaw.

Read that as "I wish I could watch him have one [hot dog while] at bat against someone like Kershaw," which I wholeheartedly endorse.

If there is a heaven...

Top 5 request to see.

Werthless wrote:

joe table wrote:Good hypo here, I'm going under werthless contract because of nerds snarking on his defense. Imagine a Keith law insider article on babe Ruth's defense comparing him to Miguel cabrera

What would Trout get as a free agent now?

10/550 Red Sox or Yankees
Phillies 10/450

WilliamC wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He probably would have been made to lose weight and stop eating hot dogs and drinking beer all game. I wish I could watch him have one at bat against someone like Kershaw.

Here's The Babe in 1921. It would be a few years before his actual size would increase to match that of his legend.

Werthless wrote:

joe table wrote:Good hypo here, I'm going under werthless contract because of nerds snarking on his defense. Imagine a Keith law insider article on babe Ruth's defense comparing him to Miguel cabrera

What would Trout get as a free agent now?

I wouldn't think more than 40mm AAV. Maybe he could get the 10 though. Would have to look at some #s about by what % new record contracts have exceeded precedents

He would get more than hypo babe though I think. Babe would beat Stanton deal but trout would be 1

swishnicholson wrote:

WilliamC wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:Thought Question:

It's an alternate reality where Babe Ruth is alive and well today doing exactly what he did in the teens and twenties, only now. He has just completed his seventh major league season and is now a free agent, having desired to test the open market despite having been traded to the Yankees. His 1920 season is his seventh big league season, so use that for your point of reference.

Of course we know exactly what he went on to do, so it is a bit unfair, but try best to exclude that information from your mind, and, based on what he had done so far (through 1920), and considering especially his 1920 season, when he posted a .376/.532/.847/1.379 slash line, with 54 HRs to go along with 150 walks against just 80 strike outs, putting up an absurd 11.9 WAR for the season, how much would this man command on the market today, going into his age 26 season?

Would he sign a 10 year, $1B deal? Or would he have to work as a janitor for the Miami Marlins because he had broken the financial system of the sport?

He probably would have been made to lose weight and stop eating hot dogs and drinking beer all game. I wish I could watch him have one at bat against someone like Kershaw.

Here's The Babe in 1921. It would be a few years before his actual size would increase to match that of his legend.

SPINNING on that back leg. Charlie manuel / jim thome / other esteemed gentlemen of fine taste in love w this swing

You gotta clear dem hips and Babe understood that

Also looks German af in that pic. Would be held against him in today's environment

Look at the length of that bat, holy shit.

I don't think that the Babe would do shit against Kershaw or many of today's top pitchers.

The sale of the Marlins for over a billion dollars had me thinking: wow, that's a lot for the Marlins. So I figured that was the effect of the new stadium, so I thought I'd look up how much the Athletics are worth for comparison. Less, to be sure, but they are at $880M right now - at the beginning of the decade they were at $300M. The Phillies were at $600M in 2010 - they are now at $1.65B.

I guess that digital media rights thing people are on about with baseball really is even better than I thought it was - in any event baseball is doing some booming business these days it would seem.

Time to expand!

Looking at Ruth's Baseball Reference page, I learn that played very well for awhile, and then dropped off a cliff......when he was 39. That leads to one of two possible conclusions--today's players are too concerned with fitness and such, over training when they should be using the off season to rest up. Or, if Babe Ruth had today's advances in fitness and nutrition, he would have been even more formidable, and could have played until he was 50.