Hate teh Dallas Cowboys thread

Postby Rockinghorse » Tue Nov 09, 2010 18:56:57

Cowboys forgot to renew web site domain.

According to the Dallas Morning News, the team forgot to renew the dallascowboys.com domain, and the site was left blank. The Cowboys' marketing arm, led by one Jerry Jones, Jr., quickly renewed the domain, but that process can take up to two days to go through, and for a website to propagate on a domain -- even if it's been there before. The site is up, but until Tuesday morning, there were people on Twitter reporting that they could still see the "fail" page on certain browsers.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 09, 2010 20:39:54

Cousin Sal suggests on this week's BS Report that firing Wade without getting rid of Garrett is like putting only one of the Menendez Brothers in jail. :lol:

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 10, 2010 02:59:00

Take it for what it's worth, but I heard this morning* that some radio dude in Dallas mentioned that if Jones decides to go with an "experienced" head coach next season instead of sticking with Garrett, a likely leading candidate is Jim Fassel (cuz Fassel's friends with Jones or Phillips or whatever nepotistic reason).

* I /think/ I heard it on NFL Network or one of the ESPNs, not sure though cuz I wasn't really paying attention, only remember hearing it cuz I haven't heard Fassel's name in like a decade.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:03:04

Parcells takes NYG to Super Bowl 1991 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2003

Fassel takes NYG to Super Bowl 2001 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2011

Coughlin takes NYG to Super Bowl 2008 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2016

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:57:17

jerseyhoya wrote:Cousin Sal suggests on this week's BS Report that firing Wade without getting rid of Garrett is like putting only one of the Menendez Brothers in jail. :lol:

Well, I only take a passing interest in teh Cowboys because my brother likes them (ie, happy for him if they do well, tease him mercilessly if they don't). But my take is their problems are discipline and talent... good to decent talent at the "Hollywood" positions (QB, RB, TE, WR), sucky talent elsewhere (OL, secondary, kicker (though their punter's good) half the LBs, half the DL). The discipline part lies on Wade Phillips, the talent deficiency lies with whoever assembled the roster (I think Jones himself is the GM). I have no idea how good Garrett is or will be, but he's kind of in a sucky position. Too many positional deficiencies for a quick turnaround (meaning this season and next). They essentially need to rebuild half the team before they can realistically exptect to compete with the big boys.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 10, 2010 03:59:49

jerseyhoya wrote:Parcells takes NYG to Super Bowl 1991 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2003

Fassel takes NYG to Super Bowl 2001 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2011

Coughlin takes NYG to Super Bowl 2008 -> Hired by Dallas to be Head Coach 2016

...and Tom Landry used to play for... teh Giants!

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:25:38

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Cousin Sal suggests on this week's BS Report that firing Wade without getting rid of Garrett is like putting only one of the Menendez Brothers in jail. :lol:

Well, I only take a passing interest in teh Cowboys because my brother likes them (ie, happy for him if they do well, tease him mercilessly if they don't). But my take is their problems are discipline and talent... good to decent talent at the "Hollywood" positions (QB, RB, TE, WR), sucky talent elsewhere (OL, secondary, kicker (though their punter's good) half the LBs, half the DL). The discipline part lies on Wade Phillips, the talent deficiency lies with whoever assembled the roster (I think Jones himself is the GM). I have no idea how good Garrett is or will be, but he's kind of in a sucky position. Too many positional deficiencies for a quick turnaround (meaning this season and next). They essentially need to rebuild half the team before they can realistically exptect to compete with the big boys.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly on the defensive side. While the safeties have been and are weak, Jenkins and Newman were pro Bowl and very good last year, respectively, at cornerback. The front seven was very strong the last two seasons, with standouts in Ratliff (at the most important position) and Ware (top 5 defender in the game) and at least average players in every other position. Beyond that, their kicker is 8 of 9, their wideouts have improved, and the only change on the line is from Flozell to Free, which seems like a lateral move to me. It's not talent; something has changed since last season. I kinda think everything would be different if they didn't keep having so much terrible luck/turnovers in the first few games that left them at 1-3 and then 1-4. The players started believing the storyline that they had given up and went along with it.

(That said, their last few drafts have been so god awful that soon it will be talent.)
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Postby Soren » Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:33:44

IMO letting Parcels and his peeps walk was one of the bigger plunders in the football world the last decade or so.
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Postby Swiggers » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:26:14

kopphanatic wrote:I'm waiting for Jerry to pull a Ted Turner here.


He's going to start dating Jane Fonda?

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Postby Swiggers » Wed Nov 10, 2010 11:30:54

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Cousin Sal suggests on this week's BS Report that firing Wade without getting rid of Garrett is like putting only one of the Menendez Brothers in jail. :lol:

Well, I only take a passing interest in teh Cowboys because my brother likes them (ie, happy for him if they do well, tease him mercilessly if they don't). But my take is their problems are discipline and talent... good to decent talent at the "Hollywood" positions (QB, RB, TE, WR), sucky talent elsewhere (OL, secondary, kicker (though their punter's good) half the LBs, half the DL). The discipline part lies on Wade Phillips, the talent deficiency lies with whoever assembled the roster (I think Jones himself is the GM). I have no idea how good Garrett is or will be, but he's kind of in a sucky position. Too many positional deficiencies for a quick turnaround (meaning this season and next). They essentially need to rebuild half the team before they can realistically exptect to compete with the big boys.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly on the defensive side. While the safeties have been and are weak, Jenkins and Newman were pro Bowl and very good last year, respectively, at cornerback. The front seven was very strong the last two seasons, with standouts in Ratliff (at the most important position) and Ware (top 5 defender in the game) and at least average players in every other position. Beyond that, their kicker is 8 of 9, their wideouts have improved, and the only change on the line is from Flozell to Free, which seems like a lateral move to me. It's not talent; something has changed since last season. I kinda think everything would be different if they didn't keep having so much terrible luck/turnovers in the first few games that left them at 1-3 and then 1-4. The players started believing the storyline that they had given up and went along with it.

(That said, their last few drafts have been so god awful that soon it will be talent.)


Pro Bowl bids are not an accurate measure of talent when it comes to the Cowboys, because several of them get voted in undeservedly every year. Remember when Roy Williams the safety used to go all the time?

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:02:56

Fair enough.

Revised: Marcus Jenkins was really good last year; he sucks this year. That's weird.

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Postby Trent Steele » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:14:39

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Cousin Sal suggests on this week's BS Report that firing Wade without getting rid of Garrett is like putting only one of the Menendez Brothers in jail. :lol:

Well, I only take a passing interest in teh Cowboys because my brother likes them (ie, happy for him if they do well, tease him mercilessly if they don't). But my take is their problems are discipline and talent... good to decent talent at the "Hollywood" positions (QB, RB, TE, WR), sucky talent elsewhere (OL, secondary, kicker (though their punter's good) half the LBs, half the DL). The discipline part lies on Wade Phillips, the talent deficiency lies with whoever assembled the roster (I think Jones himself is the GM). I have no idea how good Garrett is or will be, but he's kind of in a sucky position. Too many positional deficiencies for a quick turnaround (meaning this season and next). They essentially need to rebuild half the team before they can realistically exptect to compete with the big boys.

I think that's a bit of a stretch, particularly on the defensive side. While the safeties have been and are weak, Jenkins and Newman were pro Bowl and very good last year, respectively, at cornerback. The front seven was very strong the last two seasons, with standouts in Ratliff (at the most important position) and Ware (top 5 defender in the game) and at least average players in every other position. Beyond that, their kicker is 8 of 9, their wideouts have improved, and the only change on the line is from Flozell to Free, which seems like a lateral move to me. It's not talent; something has changed since last season. I kinda think everything would be different if they didn't keep having so much terrible luck/turnovers in the first few games that left them at 1-3 and then 1-4. The players started believing the storyline that they had given up and went along with it.

(That said, their last few drafts have been so god awful that soon it will be talent.)


The offensive line was terrible last year and is worse this year. FO had them at 6-10 based on this fact alone, pretty much. They can't pass block and they have no running game. Barber is finished completely and Jones is the most overrated player in the NFL. The inside linebackers and defensive ends suck and Ware/Spencer are one-dimensional players. Their nickelback belongs in the CFL.

All that aside, if Gronkowski picks up his block and Romo is still around, they may win that Giants game. With Romo and the receiving corps, they are a middle of the road team. With Kitna, they suck.
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Postby joe table » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:17:12

The OL really fell apart. Leonard Davis was benched due to blowing is pass pro, the LG has been in and out of the lineup due to injury, and Colombo hasn't really recovered from his injuries (by the end of last year he was a huge liability, see Ray Edwards game).

That hurt the run game, as well as Barber being washed up and Jones not living up to the hype. The pass game was still strong but they just got some hilariously inopportune play in key moments

There is something weird about the defense. Anthony Spencer went from ZOMG SHOULDA KEPT back to below average....James had 8 sacks two years ago and has none this year. Jenkins flat out blows now, I guess he was a bit overhyped as well or is following the Lito career path. Brooking is probably done

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:28:26

FO had the offensive line 3rd against the run and 16th against the pass.

Ware isn't one dimensional; that's just crazy, imo, but I guess we disagree.

I just think you really have to overstate your case and call a lot of average (often somewhat above-average) players like James and Spencer terrible to all of a sudden act like the Cowboys are talentless twerps.

Does anyone really think it's a gimme when the Eagles play them later in the season?

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Postby Soren » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:31:31

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Does anyone really think it's a gimme when the Eagles play them later in the season?


yes. Looking at the schedule during the summer I was hoping for a split, now we should sweep.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:32:57

Problem for the Eagles is Romo will be back at least for the last game. They don't completely suck with Romo.

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Postby td11 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:34:59

the NFL has been way way way too unpredictable this year for me to comfortably say we're gonna sweep them.

are they gonna be in the market for a new LT next season or is doug free still the truth?
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Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:36:18

You can never count on/expect a sweep against a division rival until you have one win in the bag IMHO. The Cowboys were fuck-ing awful in 1989, 1-15 bad, but they beat the Redskins.

When the Eagles were 3-13, one of those wins was against the Skins. The next year they were 5-11, but beat the Cowboys once anyway.

This is how those divisional games are.
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Postby joe table » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:38:04

Re FO run blocking/run game rankings: those are always highly questionable IMO. They credit teams who hate to run (like, say, the Eagles over the years) because those teams are usually able to avoid "failure" run plays by just not trying to run in many situations. So the efficiency in smaller overall samples is rewarded at the expense of teams who run more frequently in obvious run situations, face 8 man boxes regularly, have a higher number/proportion of negative or mediocre plays but still produce bigger overall numbers and have more dependable overall run games

Does anyone really believe that the Eagles were the 5th best/most efficient running team in 2009?

Cowboys are one of those teams in 2010 that pass pretty frequently in obvious run situations, and have a very low number of rush attempts in general (like the 09 Eagles)
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Nov 10, 2010 15:49:15

jerseyhoya wrote:Problem for the Eagles is Romo will be back at least for the last game. They don't completely suck with Romo.

I've read/heard that Romo won't be back this season unless the Cowboys are showing some promise/improvement and win a few games. If that's the case, they don't want to risk him getting killed while playing out the string, don't think he'll be back this year. Just looked at their schedule and I can't see them winning more than 1 of their remaining games.

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