Cleveland: The unconventional convention (politics)

by **CalvinBall** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:35:52

there were other names like that general guy and bob corker and jeff sessions. list was def longer at one point

by **Gimpy** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:39:00

pacino wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:personally, i'd decriminalize more than simply marijuana. general speeding violations, parking issues, drug and alcohol issues all seem to me to not be imprisonable crimes.

It's not so much that you'd go to jail for speeding as you'd go to jail for not paying speeding tickets.

yes, i'd like to stop that. i'd also like to change how police departments function and are funded to ensure this won't be an issue. there are places this is happening.

Banning for profit prisons would be a huge head start in changing policies

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:46:18

CalvinBall wrote:there were other names like that general guy and bob corker and jeff sessions. list was def longer at one point

Corker wanted no part of it.

by **pacino** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:47:00

Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:
Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:personally, i'd decriminalize more than simply marijuana. general speeding violations, parking issues, drug and alcohol issues all seem to me to not be imprisonable crimes.

It's not so much that you'd go to jail for speeding as you'd go to jail for not paying speeding tickets.

yes, i'd like to stop that. i'd also like to change how police departments function and are funded to ensure this won't be an issue. there are places this is happening.

Banning for profit prisons would be a huge head start in changing policies

I agree. I do not think it would have a huge impact on the overall population, though. Via the ACLU:

Today, for-profit companies are responsible for approximately 6 percent of state prisoners, 16 percent of federal prisoners, and inmates in local jails in Texas, Louisiana, and a handful of other states.

Luckily, this appears to be one of the rare areas where there is *some* bipartisanship on state and federal levels to attempt reform with both drug offenses and prisons. Congress is about to vote on a bill to further fight opioid addiction. it's not properly funded, of course, but I'm hopeful on this.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:48:47

Youseff wrote:
traderdave wrote:Not excusing their treatment in prison but what would help even more is the prisoners not committing crimes in the first place.

does this comment apply to non-violent drug offenders as well?

Generally speaking, no, and I guess my comment should have offered more specifics. I was really talking about the dude/dudette doing a ten-year stretch for armed robbery or other nasty stuff. I pretty much agree with the comments from Pacino and TCC above, although I cannot quite get 100% of the way to legalization just yet. Not sure why other than having some probably irrational fear of the streets littered with potheads. My age is probably showing. :lol:

by **jamiethekiller** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:50:56

well, if they changed the rules on who goes to jail and who doesn't...then that just means that more black guys are going to take our white chicks

by **CalvinBall** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:51:44

Doll Is Mine wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:there were other names like that general guy and bob corker and jeff sessions. list was def longer at one point

Corker wanted no part of it.

youd be surprised!

regardless, he was on the list. i was making a pretty agreeable, lame observation. thanks for disagreeing.

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 14:52:48

Doll Is Mine wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:as trumps vp filed narrows it seems clintons is larger than ever. no guess as to where that might land.

Trump's options were two lame duck Governors (Pence, Christie) and Newt Gingrich.

Pence is up for reelection, but yes in general his available choices were rather underwhelming for many, obvious reasons.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:01:40

trump still has not called pence, newt, etc. to make a final call according to Costa.

by **drsmooth** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:11:00

CalvinBall wrote:trump still has not called pence, newt, etc. to make a final call according to Costa.

TGIF?

by **jerseyhoya** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:16:55

CalvinBall wrote:trump still has not called pence, newt, etc. to make a final call according to Costa.

Katy Tur ‏@KatyTurNBC
EXCLUSIVE @DonaldJTrumpJr tells me "It's down to 3." Trump will decide this afternoon.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:17:19

CalvinBall wrote:there were other names like that general guy and bob corker and jeff sessions. list was def longer at one point

The retired generals (one of whom hadn't even been vetted) likely were leaked by Trump's campaign pros (i.e., Paul Manafort) so that he'd see the general negative reaction and move on from them. It's basically the same thing that happened with McCain and Joe Lieberman in 2008.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:30:53

jerseyhoya wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:as trumps vp filed narrows it seems clintons is larger than ever. no guess as to where that might land.

Trump's options were two lame duck Governors (Pence, Christie) and Newt Gingrich.

Pence is up for reelection, but yes in general his available choices were rather underwhelming for many, obvious reasons.

You think Pence was getting re-elected? That's not what I read. He was going to have a hard time getting re-elected and he knew it, which is why he really wanted this VP job.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:33:05

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:trump still has not called pence, newt, etc. to make a final call according to Costa.

Katy Tur ‏@KatyTurNBC
EXCLUSIVE @DonaldJTrumpJr tells me "It's down to 3." Trump will decide this afternoon.

I read that bit from Katy Tur and immediately the scene from Horrible Bosses where Kevin Spacey names himself the new Senior Vice President popped into my head.

Spacey - "I realized that if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself".

by **Bucky** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:34:23

Prince cooked me pancakes. After he kicked my butt in basketball.

by **slugsrbad** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:36:26

Doll Is Mine wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:as trumps vp filed narrows it seems clintons is larger than ever. no guess as to where that might land.

Trump's options were two lame duck Governors (Pence, Christie) and Newt Gingrich.

Pence is up for reelection, but yes in general his available choices were rather underwhelming for many, obvious reasons.

You think Pence was getting re-elected? That's not what I read. He was going to have a hard time getting re-elected and he knew it, which is why he really wanted this VP job.

That's not what lame duck means though.

You're intellect is quite Trumpian.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:38:19

by **Bucky** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:39:18

c'mon slugs if you're gonna insult someone at least do it properly

by **slugsrbad** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:47:38

Bucky wrote:c'mon slugs if you're gonna insult someone at least do it properly

Fixed. I think.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 15:49:43

That's not nice.

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