Some fears this is a show for Erdogan to assert full control over military

smitty wrote:Went to Turkey on a training excercise back in the day. It was shortly after a military coup. Worked out well for us. Not sure about the rest of it.

Oh wow. Here it is. My unit was the RDF jawn referred to at the bottom of the article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Tu ... 7%C3%A9tat

Military says they have taken control

Turkey eating itself alive in a civil war is a top 5 terrible things for US foreign policy interests.

revisiting the RBG comments, i really don't get the big deal. she basically gave an accurate description of Donald and then said most of his key platforms aren't constitutional, which is also true. the freakout from establishment Dems is hilarious. she won't have to recuse herself in any cases surrounding Trump; Scalia's wife was on the board of an anti-abortion group and in some cases he had taken gifts and donations from organizations that ended up in cases in the Supreme Court. Scalia never recused himself. not to mention, RBG is hardly the first justice to say something similar or worse. this whole thing is why I'm frustrated with establishment Dems. i keep reading "oh no, this is wrong", "it's not ethical", "two wrongs don't make a right" etc... who gives a shit anymore? stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of the nation and expecting people who work in government to not have a political opinion is unrealistic. we need to stop all the hand wringing over stupid stuff like decorum and rules and start calling things what they are. RBG's words were honest and truthful and that's what should matter.

the fact that the Dems didn't spin this as "wow, even a SC justice took an extreme measure to speak out about this guy, maybe he's really dangerous and actually doesn't understand the Constitution at all, hmmmmm" is amazing to me. instead, a large portion of the base is too busy worrying whether this is "ethical" even though there's been a history of this type of thing since the country started.

Trump probably admires Erdogan.

It's shocking it can happen that fast in a nation that treasured it's democracy. Moral in there for the US. Ataturk is revered there, or at least he was.

SK790 wrote:revisiting the RBG comments, i really don't get the big deal. she basically gave an accurate description of Donald and then said most of his key platforms aren't constitutional, which is also true. the freakout from establishment Dems is hilarious. she won't have to recuse herself in any cases surrounding Trump; Scalia's wife was on the board of an anti-abortion group and in some cases he had taken gifts and donations from organizations that ended up in cases in the Supreme Court. Scalia never recused himself. not to mention, RBG is hardly the first justice to say something similar or worse. this whole thing is why I'm frustrated with establishment Dems. i keep reading "oh no, this is wrong", "it's not ethical", "two wrongs don't make a right" etc... who gives a shit anymore? stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of the nation and expecting people who work in government to not have a political opinion is unrealistic. we need to stop all the hand wringing over stupid stuff like decorum and rules and start calling things what they are. RBG's words were honest and truthful and that's what should matter.

the fact that the Dems didn't spin this as "wow, even a SC justice took an extreme measure to speak out about this guy, maybe he's really dangerous and actually doesn't understand the Constitution at all, hmmmmm" is amazing to me. instead, a large portion of the base is too busy worrying whether this is "ethical" even though there's been a history of this type of thing since the country started.

I agree. Dems are giant babies. their candidate is winning in most polls for example, and the math heavily favors Hilary, and they're all chicken littling the shit out of this election.

yeah, they're acting just like little marco rubio when the polls proved he couldn't lose

SK790 wrote:revisiting the RBG comments, i really don't get the big deal. she basically gave an accurate description of Donald and then said most of his key platforms aren't constitutional, which is also true. the freakout from establishment Dems is hilarious. she won't have to recuse herself in any cases surrounding Trump; Scalia's wife was on the board of an anti-abortion group and in some cases he had taken gifts and donations from organizations that ended up in cases in the Supreme Court. Scalia never recused himself. not to mention, RBG is hardly the first justice to say something similar or worse. this whole thing is why I'm frustrated with establishment Dems. i keep reading "oh no, this is wrong", "it's not ethical", "two wrongs don't make a right" etc... who gives a shit anymore? stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of the nation and expecting people who work in government to not have a political opinion is unrealistic. we need to stop all the hand wringing over stupid stuff like decorum and rules and start calling things what they are. RBG's words were honest and truthful and that's what should matter.

the fact that the Dems didn't spin this as "wow, even a SC justice took an extreme measure to speak out about this guy, maybe he's really dangerous and actually doesn't understand the Constitution at all, hmmmmm" is amazing to me. instead, a large portion of the base is too busy worrying whether this is "ethical" even though there's been a history of this type of thing since the country started.

Yes, because if there is one thing that we have too much of in politics nowadays, it's decorum. We need an outsider to tell it like it is, not worry about hurting people's feelings, and people will get behind this person.

Reports of explosion(s) in Ankara

Reports of a military helicopter opening fire in the capital. Jesus Christ.

I wonder if Saric knew this was coming.

They're probably pretty upset that Dario left, but I never expected this.

Did anyone go to rural PA to interview Gulen himself to see if he's behind this? Two days ago Turkey filed to request his extradition. That's why this seems fishy.

Werthless wrote:

SK790 wrote:revisiting the RBG comments, i really don't get the big deal. she basically gave an accurate description of Donald and then said most of his key platforms aren't constitutional, which is also true. the freakout from establishment Dems is hilarious. she won't have to recuse herself in any cases surrounding Trump; Scalia's wife was on the board of an anti-abortion group and in some cases he had taken gifts and donations from organizations that ended up in cases in the Supreme Court. Scalia never recused himself. not to mention, RBG is hardly the first justice to say something similar or worse. this whole thing is why I'm frustrated with establishment Dems. i keep reading "oh no, this is wrong", "it's not ethical", "two wrongs don't make a right" etc... who gives a shit anymore? stuff like this has been going on since the dawn of the nation and expecting people who work in government to not have a political opinion is unrealistic. we need to stop all the hand wringing over stupid stuff like decorum and rules and start calling things what they are. RBG's words were honest and truthful and that's what should matter.

the fact that the Dems didn't spin this as "wow, even a SC justice took an extreme measure to speak out about this guy, maybe he's really dangerous and actually doesn't understand the Constitution at all, hmmmmm" is amazing to me. instead, a large portion of the base is too busy worrying whether this is "ethical" even though there's been a history of this type of thing since the country started.

Yes, because if there is one thing that we have too much of in politics nowadays, it's decorum. We need an outsider to tell it like it is, not worry about hurting people's feelings, and people will get behind this person.

We do. Unfortunately, the right has made half the country racists who think learning things is dumb so they think a racist who speaks like a 10 year old is telling it like it is. Apples/Oranges.

Also, it doesn't have to be an outsider. I wish all our people in government were honest like this.

some bimbidiot on Fox trying to spin the Turkish coup as a good thing for ISIS, even the woodenheads around the Fox table hoot her down

Reports that a F16 that is loyal to government shot down a military helicopter that was supporting the coup. this is going to be wild

smitty wrote:

smitty wrote:Went to Turkey on a training excercise back in the day. It was shortly after a military coup. Worked out well for us. Not sure about the rest of it.

Oh wow. Here it is. My unit was the RDF jawn referred to at the bottom of the article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Tu ... 7%C3%A9tat

That's cool. smitty making history. Though I have to admit Anvil Express sounds like a failed fast food enterprise.

swishnicholson wrote:

smitty wrote:

smitty wrote:Went to Turkey on a training excercise back in the day. It was shortly after a military coup. Worked out well for us. Not sure about the rest of it.

Oh wow. Here it is. My unit was the RDF jawn referred to at the bottom of the article:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Tu ... 7%C3%A9tat

That's cool. smitty making history. Though I have to admit Anvil Express sounds like a failed fast food enterprise.

I think the British part of the RDF made up the names for these things.

This was the organization:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_ ... bile_Force

Can someone give a quick breakdown on what's going on? Who's fighting for what? I'm retarded as shit apparently.