Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Bucky » Wed Jul 06, 2016 16:04:37

just think of the trumpian's memes THAT would spawn

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Jul 06, 2016 16:56:26

http://www.avclub.com/article/gretchen-carlson-sues-fox-news-being-he-man-woman--239179

In the court filing, first obtained by Deadline, Carlson alleges she was subjected to a hostile work environment during her seven-and-a-half years as a co-anchor of FNC’s Fox And Friends morning show. Carlson says her former co-host Steve Doocy continually harassed her by mocking her during commercial breaks, giving her the cold shoulder on air, and “refusing to accept and treat her as an intelligent and insightful female journalist rather than a blond female prop.”

When Carlson brought her concerns to Ailes, she says he responded in the most Spanky-like manner imaginable. “After learning of Carlson’s complaints, Ailes responded by calling Carlson a ‘man-hater’ and ‘killer’ and telling her that she needed to learn how to ‘get along with the boys.’” Ailes allegedly retaliated against Carlson for refusing to drop the matter, which she says led to her dismissal from Fox And Friends and subsequent reassignment to a lower-profile afternoon slot.

In September 2015, Carlson says she convened a meeting with Ailes to try to put a stop to the harassment, only to be harassed further. “Ailes stated to Carlson: ‘I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better,’” reads the complaint. Carlson suspects the meeting, and her continued refusal to acquiesce to his sexual demands, led Ailes not to renew her contract when it expired late last month.


Seems entirely plausible, especially the Steve Doocey part.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Woody » Wed Jul 06, 2016 17:05:39

"I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago" was my go-to line in crunch time
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 06, 2016 17:23:43

Woody wrote:"I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago" was my go-to line in crunch time


"was"?

Woody wrote:Smooth you seem to have an unfavorable opinion of the millions of people supporting Donald Trump


decidedly


Ernst's quick brushoff of drumpf may be instructive. Corker has more to lose & not much to gain by being the vice-catastrophic loser on the R ticket. Feels like Ernst could recover from playing that role fairly readily. Ernst is decidedly not mainstream R; if she unhesitatingly turns drumpf down flat, what sane R with a future to consider is going to take that job? Now, if Sessions or Gingrich wind up the veep choice, it's a sign to 'normal' Rs to join Jerz & head for the hills in 2016.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby pacino » Wed Jul 06, 2016 17:38:35

Weird, I thought Doocy was the blonde prop. Carlson seemed obviously the smartest of that group of dummies. I think she was just faking it while the other two were jokes.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jul 06, 2016 18:10:58

Who knew that Doocy and Ailes were hostile enemies right there on the home front all along.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby MoBettle » Wed Jul 06, 2016 19:07:00

mozartpc27 wrote:
MoBettle wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
MoBettle wrote:
My point is that it's just weird of him to bring up two standards and then only discuss one.


will it be weirder if Lynch disregards that "blank spot", too? If I follow you, seems like it would be .... weird ... if she did


there are three potential positions here:

1. Gross negligence is not an applicable standard (apparently it's never been used in cases like this before)
2. It is an applicable standard, but it doesn't seem likely to get a conviction.
3. It is an applicable standard and she was grossly negligent.

I assume that lynch will take one of those 3 positions, probably the first or second.


How about, "She was negligent, but not grossly so?"


That's 2.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 06, 2016 19:26:27

This is a cry for help. He wants it taken from him. Utterly insane rambling.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Jul 06, 2016 19:40:28

And now he's shouting his entire speeches.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby threecount » Wed Jul 06, 2016 19:42:40

Is anybody watching Trump's speech from Ohio?

I have never seen a more narcissistic person in my entire life..

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 06, 2016 20:10:32

jerseyhoya wrote:This is a cry for help. He wants it taken from him. Utterly insane rambling.


Huh?

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby momadance » Wed Jul 06, 2016 20:27:27

pacino wrote:arguing gross negligence would be impossible to prove. what's the standard? critics have found a reserve Naval officer previously charged. AG/DAs bring cases forth they can win, no? this is why many (myself included) have been annoyed with the power of AGs to decline to indict in much less high profile matters involving police conduct. in this case it'd be very hard to prove gross negligence.


I'm not going through this entire thread. I'm guessing most people here have not held a TS/SSBi clearance, or anything close. I know Luzinkskis Gut has one and I have had one. Not sure if hes commented. Hillary has gone through the same training the rest of us have. It's required. If he or I did what she did, we'd be in jail. No question. People with clearances who've fucked up by accident have gone through much worse, myself included. I had an ex who turned into a junky. Nearly ruined my career. It still might. Bit hey, it's OK. You haven't had to deal with it so that's cool I guess. I'm pretty pissed. I've seen good people lose their livelyhood over shit over clearance issues not even close to hers. But it's cool, she's running for president. I still have another year to find out if my junkie ex bullshit will ruin my clearance. But by all means, declare hillary a saint. And honestly if you care to defend her on this, you can suck a bag of dicks. Also #nevertrump

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Jul 06, 2016 20:49:00

She's either a potential criminal or an incompetent person who's easily confused about security matters and then lied about what she did. Either way, she's profoundly unqualified to hold public office. And the other person running is somehow even worse. Hard to blame the FBI director for not recommending indictment though; I wouldn't want to mysteriously end up dead in a freak accident either.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby smitty » Wed Jul 06, 2016 20:51:39

momadance wrote:
pacino wrote:arguing gross negligence would be impossible to prove. what's the standard? critics have found a reserve Naval officer previously charged. AG/DAs bring cases forth they can win, no? this is why many (myself included) have been annoyed with the power of AGs to decline to indict in much less high profile matters involving police conduct. in this case it'd be very hard to prove gross negligence.


I'm not going through this entire thread. I'm guessing most people here have not held a TS/SSBi clearance, or anything close. I know Luzinkskis Gut has one and I have had one. Not sure if hes commentes. Hillary has gone through the same training the rest of us have. It's required. If he or I did what she did, we'd be in jail. People with clearaneces who've fucked up by accident have gone through much worse. Bit hey, it's OK. You haven't had to deal with it so that'she cool I guess.


I had a TS/SSBI/NoForn/ plus some other identifiers I can't remember. But it was a pretty awesome clearance. We didn't have emails back then. I never saw any classified documents that weren't clearly marked.

When I was in Desert Storm, a G2 guy showed me a document that was tippy top secret (again, I don't remember the exact identifiers but it was rare -- scary classification actually). Anyway a Newsweek showed up and I started reading and damned if the tippy top secret thing was right there in an article. Stuff like that happened all the time.

I don't know what the classified emails were about and we won't find out because it's-- classified.

And we're getting a lot of different stories. Were these emails marked? Were they classified at the time she received and sent them out? I'm reading conflicting stuff about this. And these issues are critical to know in order to draw conclusions.

I think a lot of people would be surprised to know there's a LOT of classified stuff available to the public. I see it all the time and have for a long time. I can't give an example because it's-- classified.

It amazes me to begin with you can email classified stuff. Back in my day classified documents were kept in safes inside a very secure room.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Jul 06, 2016 20:55:11

smitty wrote:And we're getting a lot of different stories. Were these emails marked? Were they classified at the time she received and sent them out? I'm reading conflicting stuff about this. And these issues are critical to know in order to draw conclusions.


From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were “up-classified” to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby momadance » Wed Jul 06, 2016 21:04:35

FYI this isn't a partisan issue for me. She's either a complete dumbass (1% chance) or didn't want her emails archived on DOD/Pentagon servers (99% chance). Take a guess which one.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby momadance » Wed Jul 06, 2016 21:05:42

Gimpy wrote:She's either a potential criminal or an incompetent person who's easily confused about security matters and then lied about what she did. Either way, she's profoundly unqualified to hold public office. And the other person running is somehow even worse. Hard to blame the FBI director for not recommending indictment though; I wouldn't want to mysteriously end up dead in a freak accident either.


It's probably both.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 06, 2016 21:11:19

Gimpy wrote:she's profoundly unqualified to hold public office.


we'll assume the last bit was just a lame joke, but what you meant to assert here is Clinton's DISqualified by her actions from holding office. That's your opinion; but if she is UNqualified, no political actor has EVER been qualified. That's fact.
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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby momadance » Wed Jul 06, 2016 21:14:11

drsmooth wrote:
Gimpy wrote:she's profoundly unqualified to hold public office.


we'll assume the last bit was just a lame joke, but what you meant to assert here is Clinton's DISqualified by her actions from holding office. That's your opinion; but if she is UNqualified, no political actor has EVER been qualified. That's fact.


That's a steamy hot take.

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Re: Sit-in spin: Getting dizzy with politics

Postby Gimpy » Wed Jul 06, 2016 21:19:32

No, I'm saying that someone who cannot adequately handle sensitive information is not qualified to be in a position where they will handle such information.

And I wasn't being sarcastic calling Trump worse. He is somehow worse than someone who should not hold the office.

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