Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Bucky » Sat Mar 12, 2016 23:19:10

Aha, here's why all the stupid people are parroting the "bernie set it up" thing:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/12 ... ts-tweets/

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 12, 2016 23:22:58

Between Guam, Wyoming county conventions and DC today, the delegate count -

Rubio 11
Cruz 10
Kasich 9
Trump 1
Uncommitted 9

Lovely day for #nevertrump

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Mar 12, 2016 23:24:42

Taniel ‏@Taniel
24 hours ago, Trump had 43.7% of the delegates allocated in the contests so far; Guam, D.C. & Wyoming made that number fall to 42.1%.

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby JFLNYC » Sun Mar 13, 2016 00:09:45

Baby steps but steps nonetheless.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Mar 13, 2016 00:28:20

jerseyhoya wrote:Apparently all of the delegates elected are Rubio people so if it goes to a second ballot, that's 19 rather than 10 for Rubio. 9 of them pledged first ballot to Kasich.

I was misled. 13-6 Rubio in elected delegates not 19-0. But 3 of the Rubio delegates have to vote Kasich first ballot because of how they're tied with the rules.

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby SK790 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 00:39:36

Bucky wrote:Aha, here's why all the stupid people are parroting the "bernie set it up" thing:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/12 ... ts-tweets/

Here I thought it was because these type of people want to do whatever the fuck they want without consequence or any personal responsibility whatsoever. Trump says racist shit, he's shocked that it offends POC. His brother RTs White Supremacists, it's Obama's fault for not solving race relations. Protesters stand up for other protesters who have been attacked at rallies by shutting one down, it's Bernie's fault, get your people in line, Bernie.(He actually said this and I have no idea what the fuck he's talking about)

Basically, they're adult babies. Thanks to Brantt for giving us a first hand account of these special people.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby momadance » Sun Mar 13, 2016 00:48:43

Bucky wrote:DID YOU EVEN READ BEEZ'S POST

FUCK OFF


+1 Woody award.

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 13, 2016 08:25:50

What I don't get is if these protestors need to 'get a job' don't the Trump morons attending these 'rallies' need to too?
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 13, 2016 08:55:34

Another Bernie supporter said Trump would be better than Clinton. Urge to kill rising. Just complete morons. IF YOU DON'T VOTE CLINTON YOU DON'T GET TO COMPLAIN ABOUT TRUMP OR CRUZ WHOEVER. AND GO F YOURSELF TOO
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby pacino » Sun Mar 13, 2016 08:59:48

Clinton's very good piece and apology about HIV/AIDS

ACT UP was very important. Surprised to see it mentioned in the 21st century by a presidential candidate.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby ashton » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:10:11

Among Rubio's problems is that he has no constituency. The people who want a strong leader to protect "us" from "them" are voting for Trump. The people who want more God in government are voting for Cruz, and the Rockefeller Republicans who want someone who knows how to govern are voting for Kasich. Rubio is a poor man's Cruz mixed with a poor man's Kasich. The only things he brings to the table are youth and being Cuban. Youth gets him nothing, and being Cuban helps in Miami. The people who are voting for him are doing so because he's the party approved anti-Trump candidate; yet most of the anti-Trump people have rejected him. At this point he's just taking party loyalist votes away from Kasich and "the Bible has all the answers" voters from Cruz. If Rubio had dropped out a few weeks ago like he should have and the Party had endorsed Kasich, then Rubio's voters would be going for Kasich and Cruz, strengthening those two at the expense of Trump.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:13:07

She was clearly reaching out to moderate republicans and Reagan worshippers with her original remarks. She forgot about her base. Kinda like when she sides with banks over her constituents.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:21:18

jerseyhoya wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Apparently all of the delegates elected are Rubio people so if it goes to a second ballot, that's 19 rather than 10 for Rubio. 9 of them pledged first ballot to Kasich.

I was misled. 13-6 Rubio in elected delegates not 19-0. But 3 of the Rubio delegates have to vote Kasich first ballot because of how they're tied with the rules.


how do these rules work? Is it because he was 2nd??

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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:23:39

ashton wrote:Among Rubio's problems is that he has no constituency. The people who want a strong leader to protect "us" from "them" are voting for Trump. The people who want more God in government are voting for Cruz, and the Rockefeller Republicans who want someone who knows how to govern are voting for Kasich. Rubio is a poor man's Cruz mixed with a poor man's Kasich. The only things he brings to the table are youth and being Cuban. Youth gets him nothing, and being Cuban helps in Miami. The people who are voting for him are doing so because he's the party approved anti-Trump candidate; yet most of the anti-Trump people have rejected him. At this point he's just taking party loyalist votes away from Kasich and "the Bible has all the answers" voters from Cruz. If Rubio had dropped out a few weeks ago like he should have and the Party had endorsed Kasich, then Rubio's votes would be going to Kasich and Cruz, strengthening those two at the expense of Trump.



Exactly. Why is it that everyone else has to drop out? Rubio has shown next to nothing. If his votes had gone to Cruz, maybe Cruz could have unseated the Donald. If only Rubio had cared about his party or the country, we wouldn't be in this mess. Cruz has much less of a chance to beat Hillary, but if stopping the Donald is really the goal, then it was Rubio who was going to have to drop out. If Cruz had dropped out, his voters would have turned to Trump.

My theory is that the establishment is fine with Trump, but they just can't come out and say it. Some of their leadership hinted as much earlier when they said they felt like Trump would come around and they would be able to work with him. If they really had a problem with what Trump was saying and doing, they would could have dialed back this stuff years ago, but they are fine with it. And Mitt's talk was just another way of helping Trump seem like an outsider. Brantt doesn't know it, but he's a shill for the GOP.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:30:32

And I'm increasingly of the mind that Trump will beat Hillary in the general. He will make this election about the trade agreements, agreements her husband had a BIG part in. She will lose that battle handily. If he can dial back his rhetoric before the undecideds start paying close attention, and there are signs that he can, I think he wins.

I think there's a reason Trump has been going after Sanders recently. He knows Sanders is the real threat. Sanders would take away Trump's greatest advantage and do what Trump is doing, except from a position of sanity. The trade agreements fade into the background a bit and the two styles will be on display. Given the choice, I still think Americans would pick the decent human being over the racist. I'm not so sure what they'll do with their minds clouded by anger about the trade stuff.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby JFLNYC » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:46:06

Yeah, the problem is when Trump makes a misstep it bounces off him. When Hillary does so nobody ever forgets it. These latest couple of missteps by Hillary (the Nancy Reagan AIDS quote and the "where was Bernie on healthcare in the 90's" quote) make her look like an idiot.
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby td11 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:54:36

Great thread title, tcc
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby drsmooth » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:55:05

Monkeyboy wrote:If he can dial back his rhetoric before the undecideds start paying close attention, and there are signs that he can, I think he wins.


I think you're kinda far away and so not getting a good sense of how thoroughly repellant drumpf already is to too many people who are eligible and intend to vote in November's elections for him to win any general election in the United States of America ever
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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 09:58:12

pacino wrote:Clinton's very good piece and apology about HIV/AIDS

ACT UP was very important. Surprised to see it mentioned in the 21st century by a presidential candidate.


I wonder if Hillary Clinton had simply watched The Reagans on Showtime when it came out, which apparently had this scene:

"You're president of the United States," Nancy Reagan, reminded Ronald Reagan as he sat up in bed in 1983. She begged him to do something about the growing scourge of AIDS. "If you don't talk about it, nobody will talk about it. Nobody will do anything, and all these people - these children, these young boys - they're all going to die. And the blame will be on our heads, Ronnie."

President Reagan quietly kept reading through his half glasses. He seemed very cozy, clad in his bathrobe, beneath his blankets.

"Ronnie, say something," Nancy pleaded. The president coolly maintained his silence. He never even looked at his beloved First Lady.

That's how Showtime depicted a scene from the White House residence in The Reagans, the controversial TV movie about the conservative chief executive and his devoted wife. Reagan's alleged homophobia and indifference to AIDS patients are among the reasons Reaganites attacked the program, leading CBS to cancel its broadcast premiere and shift it instead to Showtime, the network's sister pay-cable channel.

The original script was far worse.

"Those who live in sin will die in sin," says President Reagan, as portrayed by actor James Brolin. Teleplaywright Elizabeth Egloff eventually admitted she had no evidence on which to base this scandalous comment. "We know he ducked the issue over and over again," she told the New York Times in self-defense.


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Re: Strongman competition results thread aka politics

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sun Mar 13, 2016 10:46:51

Monkeyboy wrote:And I'm increasingly of the mind that Trump will beat Hillary in the general. He will make this election about the trade agreements, agreements her husband had a BIG part in. She will lose that battle handily. If he can dial back his rhetoric before the undecideds start paying close attention, and there are signs that he can, I think he wins.

I think there's a reason Trump has been going after Sanders recently. He knows Sanders is the real threat. Sanders would take away Trump's greatest advantage and do what Trump is doing, except from a position of sanity. The trade agreements fade into the background a bit and the two styles will be on display. Given the choice, I still think Americans would pick the decent human being over the racist. I'm not so sure what they'll do with their minds clouded by anger about the trade stuff.


I don't know if I agree. Yes, Clinton will have a hard time with the trade issue but you'd be surprised how many Republicans would vote for Hillary in the general over Trump. I also can't see how Trump gets many votes from the African-American, Latino, Muslim, and LGBT communities as well as women. Plus, veterans are not as enamored with Trump as he thinks.

My only concern would be something flukey happening in Ohio to give Trump the election.

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