Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:04:54

drsmooth wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:now you are banking on a brokered convention? the goal posts keep moving.



I've asserted that I don't believe Turnip will be nominated. You try to put words in my mouth Calvin, I'll bite your arm off (after punching you in the face)

with that attitude you may accidentally get elected a national republican politician
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:05:03

pacino wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:So that ceiling of 35 percent. Definitely want to hear more about that.


Calvin, you'll be pleased to know I had Turnip winning NV 14 delegates. He underperformed in NV.

He's still a loser. And will still lose. asshat are losers. Losers are asshat. And Mitch McConnell, with the help of Chuck GrASSley, has assured that at the margin anything labeled R will lose, perhaps catastrophically for Rs, in November.

NV polling is like NV Rs, and NV generally. A deplorable #$!&@ (Sorry 702).

Turnip still repels anyone with anything resembling brains or character. So the majority of Rs, and especially of Americans.


he under performed at 45 percent?

Rubio isn't going to win a single state on Tuesday. how will things be looking then?

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:05:01

The absolute nonsense that was Rick Perry getting indicted was finally dismissed today.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:10:01

what a hero he was to use his power as he did:

The legal dispute goes back to the 2013 legislative session, when Perry threatened to veto money for Lehmberg’s Public Integrity Unit in an attempt to force the district attorney from office after her arrest and conviction for driving while intoxicated. When Lehmberg refused, Perry cut all of the unit’s $7.5 million from the state budget.

several people were fired due to him withholding the funding. but he sure did use that veto legally, so it's all good.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby pacino » Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:24:29

Roger Dorn wrote:I can't believe there is still denial that Trump is going to be the nominee...anyways here is a sobering article from Matt Taibbi...pretty good read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224

I mention that Trump's plan is virtually identical to Dick Gephardt's idea from way back in the 1988 Democratic presidential race, to fight the Korean Hyundai import wave with retaliatory tariffs.

Donlon says she didn't like that idea then.

Why not?

"I didn't like him," she says.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Philly the Kid » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:15:00

pacino wrote:
Roger Dorn wrote:I can't believe there is still denial that Trump is going to be the nominee...anyways here is a sobering article from Matt Taibbi...pretty good read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224

I mention that Trump's plan is virtually identical to Dick Gephardt's idea from way back in the 1988 Democratic presidential race, to fight the Korean Hyundai import wave with retaliatory tariffs.

Donlon says she didn't like that idea then.

Why not?

"I didn't like him," she says.


I was shocked and dismayed when Ronald Reagan was elected, twice. Disheartened with Bush got in. Broken when powers that be stole election for 2nd Bush, and been super bummed since the Clinton dynasty and DNC take-over of the Dems. But if Donald Trump - actually ends up in the White House, a nasty, duplicitous, un-intellectual, celebrity clown - that after all these years on planet earth - I may well move abroad and just be done with being associated with this think called amereeka.

I'm guessing he wouldn't win legitimately, he will never represent a true 50.1 % of voters -

The biggest issue not spoken of, is that there is 0 over-sight on the voting machines. A governer and an IT man can step in and flip votes in 60 seconds. There are a lot of republican governors and Sec States - and the machines are made by republican leaning companies - and they will not allow any govty or independent body to know the algorithms or technology. There were shenanigans with paper ballots but it's time to go back until we have a system that can be verified.

And then the funky maneuvers to dis-enfranchise and kick people off voter rolls.

These issues will come to bear - especially if Bernie somehow gets past Hilary which is looking less likely by the hour --

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:24:17

CalvinBall wrote:Rubio isn't going to win a single state on Tuesday. how will things be looking then?


I have been, an continue to be, in the "Rubio will pull this out" camp - but this is a sobering thought. The foundation of this theory is becoming very shaky.

drsmooth wrote: "Very close"? what good will that be for Turnip? Rs get him to Cleveland, they punch him in the face. And he cries, and goes home.


Earlier in the thread I suggested the Republicans are playing Russian roulette with a three chambered revolver and two of them are loaded. Well, maybe this revolver has four chambers, and this here is the third bullet.

First of all, if Donald Trump makes it to Cleveland with more delegates won by popular vote than anyone else, but not enough for the nomination, there is NO WAY he takes his marbles and goes home. He tells the Republican establishment to jump on it and spin and runs anyway. And this is to say nothing of what this would do in terms of the party base: how could they justify, politically, to the people who voted that the person who got the most votes is not the nominee?

This would be tantamount to conceding the 2016 election for the purpose of purging the Republican party of a certain type of voter. You could argue the Democrats did this in 1972; it'd be an interesting move, but I can't see the Republicans making it when the presidency is an open seat.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:32:14

I think we're at the point that even if Trump isn't the R nominee, he will mount a 3rd party candidacy.

Also, I think calling him Chump is more effective than calling him Turnip.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:34:15

do he even have time after March to get on all 50 ballots?
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:45:44

mozartpc27 wrote:
drsmooth wrote: "Very close"? what good will that be for Turnip? Rs get him to Cleveland, they punch him in the face. And he cries, and goes home.


Earlier in the thread I suggested the Republicans are playing Russian roulette with a three chambered revolver and two of them are loaded. Well, maybe this revolver has four chambers, and this here is the third bullet.

First of all, if Donald Trump makes it to Cleveland with more delegates won by popular vote than anyone else, but not enough for the nomination, there is NO WAY he takes his marbles and goes home. He tells the Republican establishment to jump on it and spin and runs anyway. And this is to say nothing of what this would do in terms of the party base: how could they justify, politically, to the people who voted that the person who got the most votes is not the nominee?

This would be tantamount to conceding the 2016 election for the purpose of purging the Republican party of a certain type of voter. You could argue the Democrats did this in 1972; it'd be an interesting move, but I can't see the Republicans making it when the presidency is an open seat.

I think there are a ton of ways out to the Cleveland Trump thing for anti-Trump forces if he's the delegate leader but short of a majority. Using Rubio but you could replace his name with Cruz if you prefer.

If Rubio has won more votes than Trump but fewer delegates (unlikely); if Rubio has won siginificantly more votes/delegates since it became a two man race (somewhat likely); if Rubio endorsers (Cruz+Kasich+Carson perhaps) have enough delegates that theirs added to Rubio's is a majority (somewhat likely); if Rubio is ahead of Trump in polling at the time of the convention of who GOP voters want to have as the nominee (likely); if Rubio is doing significantly better against Hillary than Trump (likely); etc. If it gets to a convention I think Trump will have to be very very close to an outright majority to have any chance. There will be a reason settled on that justifies denying him the nomination otherwise.

One other thing to keep in mind about the convention are most (all?) delegates are unpledged after the first ballot, and there are going to be a lot of pledged Trump delegates who do not like Trump - 1) the GOP version of superdelegates are pledged for the most part on the first ballot, but these are party people and will be inclined to bail as soon as they can; 2) Trump is not filling all of his delegate slates in every state...in PA for example he did not file loyal delegates for congressional districts, so if he wins he'll have them pledged on the first ballot, but they'd be free agents on the 2nd ballot. If he can't win on the first ballot, it'd take an unlikely set of circumstances for him to win.

Although with that said the party has demonstrated an enormous amount of cowardice in opposing Trump so far, so maybe they'd roll over once again. Personally I have no problem with them making whatever deals necessary to deny him the nomination. The deals to fuck Trump will be so beautiful and so amazing they will make your head spin. If it blows up the party shutting him out, oh well. I think nominating him would be more likely to destroy the party.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:48:56

Those deals will also piss off trump supporters the party needs to have even a whisker of a chance, and may even cost them the Senate. I don't think anyone would expect Trump to accept any of this quietly.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:53:27

TenuredVulture wrote:Those deals will also piss off trump supporters the party needs to have even a whisker of a chance, and may even cost them the Senate. I don't think anyone would expect Trump to accept any of this quietly.

OK and if we nominate Trump we've nominated Donald Trump. That may also cost us the Senate, makes it fairly unlikely that we'd win the general, and even if we did win it would come with the slight problem that Donald Trump was president of the United States.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Feb 24, 2016 13:55:34

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Those deals will also piss off trump supporters the party needs to have even a whisker of a chance, and may even cost them the Senate. I don't think anyone would expect Trump to accept any of this quietly.

OK and if we nominate Trump we've nominated Donald Trump. That may also cost us the Senate, makes it fairly unlikely that we'd win the general, and even if we did win it would come with the slight problem that Donald Trump was president of the United States.


that last bit made me laugh. it is a scary prospect.

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:01:15

pacino wrote:a new bloomberg poll shows people are misinformed:
“A quick question about the deficit – which is the difference between what the federal government spends and what it takes in in taxes and other revenue each year. Over the last six years, do you think the deficit has been getting bigger or smaller?”

Bigger: 73%
Smaller: 21%
Not sure: 6%

more inside


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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Soren » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:03:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Those deals will also piss off trump supporters the party needs to have even a whisker of a chance, and may even cost them the Senate. I don't think anyone would expect Trump to accept any of this quietly.

OK and if we nominate Trump we've nominated Donald Trump. That may also cost us the Senate, makes it fairly unlikely that we'd win the general, and even if we did win it would come with the slight problem that Donald Trump was president of the United States.


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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:06:48

maybe this is the event will bring us together finally!

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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:09:09

Houshphandzadeh wrote:maybe this is the event will bring us together finally!


At least us Honkies.
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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Shore » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:47:24

Roger Dorn wrote:I can't believe there is still denial that Trump is going to be the nominee...anyways here is a sobering article from Matt Taibbi...pretty good read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224



He used a German term, backpfeifengesicht, literally "a face in need of a good punch," to describe Cruz.


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Re: Super Cruzday and the Sandersnistas: Politics

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Feb 24, 2016 14:50:24

They have bigpelf isn't that close enough?
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