Youseff wrote:

pacino wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Youseff wrote:

The Dude wrote:Yeah, if Bernie wasn't around there'd be a lot less revulsion towards her. Once (if) she wins the nomination the wagons will circle

I don't think the controversies surrounding the Goldman Sachs stuff, Jerry Bruckheimer stuff & Sidney Blumenthal stuff is contingent upon Bernie being in the race.

Either do i, that doesn't really matter though with the voting base that wants her over a republican

Deciding between Democrats is different than deciding once she's the nominee. She's been entirely vetted as far at that. People will either vote for her or they wont. I don't think there's much to sway that that's come out recently.

I'll hold my nose and vote but I'm fairly disgusted. I agree the GOP is putting up some monsters and duds, which is exactly my point. if there was a half way competent candidate on that side they could run away with it. this is the cream of their crop, they suck.

drsmooth wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:it seems like the moment when a complete set of DNA is formed, the structure that will determine that life, seems like a reasonable place to say it begins.

Any sophist would immediately ask you WHY you feel this is reasonable - especially since in your own response you identified at least one other "reasonable" time that might be considered.

These are real problems for any one who either insists that these things can be determined with certainty, or who simply demands certainty whether or not certainty can be had.

Victoria Coates graduated college in the early 1990s. In a recent interview with Breitbart, she said that she "missed being a double-major in political science by one class credit." So close! She stayed in academia, gaining a Masters degree and then, in 1998, a PhD in Art History, in which her specialization was the Italian Renaissance. From 2010 to 2013, she was a "Consulting Curator" at the Cleveland Museum of Art, at which she was an expert for their show "Last Days of Pompeii." Her only book, which just came out, is a book called David's Sling: A History of Democracy in Ten Works of Art.

But working for Donald Rumsfeld was enough to get her a gig with Texan Rick Perry, her first as a "national security expert" when he took a run at the Presidency from late 2011 through the beginning of 2012.

From there she went on to a one-year position as "adjunct fellow" at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, the neo-con foundation in downtown DC set up in the wake of September 11. Even there, however, it is difficult to see what she actually did, or more importantly learned. The foundation did not publish any work she had written.

Indeed it appears she's only ever written five short articles in the past decade, and all of them were of little more substance than an op-ed: Two for the Weekly Standard, and three blog posts on the conservative blog Redstate, none of which were exactly rigorous scholarship.

Monkeyboy wrote:Does someone who believes that life begins at conception believe it with certainty all the time? I don't know. I doubt it.

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:The one thing I dont get about those who think life begins at conception is why aren't they going after fertility clinics? The amount of unused embryos that get destroyed at those places far exceeds the number of abortions. They'd save a lot more "lives" by protesting them instead.

But to those who have known him longest, Rubio’s flustered performance Saturday night fit perfectly with an all-too-familiar strain of his personality, one that his handlers and image-makers have labored for years to keep out of public view. Though generally seen as cool-headed and quick on his feet, Rubio is known to friends, allies, and advisers for a kind of incurable anxiousness — and an occasional propensity to panic in moments of crisis, both real and imagined.

TenuredVulture wrote:

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:The one thing I dont get about those who think life begins at conception is why aren't they going after fertility clinics? The amount of unused embryos that get destroyed at those places far exceeds the number of abortions. They'd save a lot more "lives" by protesting them instead.

This is why several proposed "life begins at conception" initiatives failed--they would result in closing fertility clinics.

A second issue--if you really don't like abortion, the reasonable avenue to pursue would be insisting on comprehensive sex education and easy access to birth control. But it's really not about abortion or life, it's about punishing women who have sex, or get raped.

pacino wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:The one thing I dont get about those who think life begins at conception is why aren't they going after fertility clinics? The amount of unused embryos that get destroyed at those places far exceeds the number of abortions. They'd save a lot more "lives" by protesting them instead.

This is why several proposed "life begins at conception" initiatives failed--they would result in closing fertility clinics.

A second issue--if you really don't like abortion, the reasonable avenue to pursue would be insisting on comprehensive sex education and easy access to birth control. But it's really not about abortion or life, it's about punishing women who have sex, or get raped.

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