I agree, but you can't not respond.

yeah you respond. you find and try the people that did the attack. the people that did the terrorist act itself are just the fodder they sent out there.

I'd think about mass deportation, honestly.

of who? people living their lives? i mean, that's pretty ridiculous, sir. are you deporting the guy after the Hebdo attack who helped out who was Muslim?

the people that did this WANT you to think that, and try that. they'll then kill the people that won't follow their insane version of their dumb religion

the West is the primary aggressor but the West and Islam is at war with each other. It's not a state war like we're used to in our lifetime, it's an idealogical war like the world has seen since it's inception. lots of Muslims hate the West and this isn't going to get better. if you're French and you want to protect your citizens it's an option you weigh seriously.

'islam' is not at war with the 'west'. some crazy aholes are at war with EVERYONE. i'm not going to deport millions of people because of this. that's really crazy.

pacino wrote:the people doing these attacks WANT France and others to react negatively towards Muslims. i hope we don't.

I mean.....it's getting pretty damn tough. It's really hard to see how Western ideals and Islam, not even radical Islam, can coexist in close quarters. This pretty much sums it up for me:



I don't know what the answer is, but I think people 200-300 years from now will look at this situation and be amazed that we didn't realize this was still the beginning (going back to colonization and the primordial beginnings of modern globalization) and not the middle or end. What makes this especially tricky, and I think this is something that the soft power people don't always take into account, is that our exportation of culture is almost as offensive as our use of force.

I think closing the borders, in conjunction with aid and smart diplomacy, needs to be considered.

ok, war with Wahabi fundamentalists, who are very prevalent.

I'm speechless

you guys are falling into the trap.

we are talking about families.

christians in this country protest all the time. those darn college students do too. the above women were literally using their freedom of speech to spread their opinion. if that's not 'western' i don't know what is.

you guys are coming out for either deporting families, children, elderly people, etc, and for not letting others in. i don't even know what to say. Go vote for Trump or something then.

I think they're justified in their hatred, if it makes you feel better. would be curious to hear a better solution. it's not like France is a super tolerant place and doesn't employ aggressive surveillance already.

people hate to hear it but there isn't a solution. terrorism has happened throughout the history of man in one form or another.

so, nothing then? as a government with you in charge the solution is to grin and bear it because terrorism has happened in history? you can do things to prevent things from happening or influence other things to happen. if you give up on that principle then you give up on the fundamental viability of a government or governing body.

doing anything more than what is already being done is fruitless and breeds more terrorism. we pretty much already know this from years of trying pre-emptive war, jailing people who we THINK did something wrong, etc. kruker actually had a good idea about aid. POSITIVE things that slowly bring up a generation of people who aren't as impoverished and thus easier to convert to radicalism.

i really think you need to step back and think about what you're typing here.

Look, this isn't the best time to be discussing broad themes and I'm mostly only posting here right now as a way to vent even though I know cooler heads (my head at least) will hopefully prevail and I'll readily admit to having a cynical outlook on this, but I think you're also being naive. There are some serious ideological disparities between Western culture and Islam that make us all living together in harmony pretty difficult to imagine. Of course 99+% of the time it's fine and yea it's a small part of our and their population that does stupid shit like this, but I don't see any actual fix. Closing the borders to get a grip on security doesn't seem like the worst option to me right now. If anything, it'll hopefully allow for a detente. I tend to think the solution, if there is one, is basically accepting that this is going to happen from time to time. That really sucks though and if that's really the case, then do what you have to do to make sure security is up to par before taking anyone else in.

*Just to clarify, when I say detente, I'm thinking in terms of increasing European nationalism and xenophobia.

pacino wrote:doing anything more than what is already being done is fruitless and breeds more terrorism. we pretty much already know this from years of trying pre-emptive war, jailing people who we THINK did something wrong, etc. kruker actually had a good idea about aid. POSITIVE things that slowly bring up a generation of people who aren't as impoverished and thus easier to convert to radicalism.

i really think you need to step back and think about what you're typing here.

sure, aid too. ideas don't exist in a vacuum. while your 40 year plan bears fruit what do you do in the meantime?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/opinions/bergen-isis-jihadi-john/index.html

"End of the Beginning for ISIS"...not the best timng for this article.

Youseff wrote:ok, war with Wahabi fundamentalists, who are very prevalent.

it's salafi, the wahabi are specific to the arabian peninsula, and the salafi make up 4% of all muslim people. as long as we're defining things.

SK790 wrote:

Youseff wrote:ok, war with Wahabi fundamentalists, who are very prevalent.

it's salafi, the wahabi are specific to the arabian peninsula, and the salafi make up 4% of all muslim people. as long as we're defining things.

sorry, thanks for clarifying.