I think you're a really dishonest guy. Is it fair to compare polling % numbers in race with two candidates in a race versus over a dozen candidates? You're just always trying to spin stuff instead of being honest. I don't get that. Trump is a Republican and he is in first. The latter may change, heck the former may change, but in his current state he is certainly a Republican and a serious candidate by nature of his party and his polling position in that party.

& Bernie has a socialist ideology and is currently running as a Democrat so he is certainly a Democrat. as it stands he's going to be the only guy debating Hilary so he's certainly a serious candidate. he won't win, but he will have an impact on how Hilary runs, the conversations the Democratic base has and potentially the policy promises Hilary (eventually) makes.

I hope the American people noticed that Trump's poll numbers improved after the McCain comments.

Country First.

Youseff wrote:I think you're a really dishonest guy.

OK

Is it fair to compare polling % numbers in race with two candidates in a race versus over a dozen candidates?

In the interest of being an honest guy, one might note there are five candidates in the Democratic race, not two. I think it's fair to the side point I was making because it's comparing the percentage of self described party voters supporting a candidate for the nomination of their party who has no tradition/background in being a member of that party.

Furthermore on the Trump front, he's performing much worse among second choice voters than his competitors for the nomination. In a smaller field, there's not much reason to believe he'd be performing appreciably better.

You're just always trying to spin stuff instead of being honest. I don't get that.

I post what I think. There probably aren't enough persuadable GOP voters here that make not being honest worthwhile anyhow. I will post things that I think make Democrats look bad, and argue points I think make politicians I support look good in the face of disagreement. Other people on the other side do the same thing, but don't get called out on it because there are more of you.

Trump is a Republican and he is in first. The latter may change, heck the former may change, but in his current state he is certainly a Republican and a serious candidate by nature of his party and his polling position in that party.

We disagree on what makes someone a serious candidate for president then. If you think Trump is a serious candidate and a Republican, would you like to bet on his chances of winning the nomination? The longest odds I see are 20/1. I'd lay $1,000 to win $50 that he won't be the nominee. A bargain for a serious candidate with such a huge lead!!!

& Bernie has a socialist ideology and is currently running as a Democrat so he is certainly a Democrat.

He's probably ideologically more in line with Democratic voters than Trump is with Republican voters, but he's run for office 20 times previously, and though he's won Democratic nominations in the past, he's always declined them. He's a sitting independent US Senator. I don't think he's a Democrat.

as it stands he's going to be the only guy debating Hilary so he's certainly a serious candidate.

Three other people will be debating Hillary.

he won't win, but he will have an impact on how Hilary runs, the conversations the Democratic base has and potentially the policy promises Hilary (eventually) makes.

I don't know how much of an effect he'll have on Hillary in the short or long run, because they seem to have determined from the start before Bernie caught any momentum that running left/inspiring the base is a better general election strategy than hewing to the middle. And it's not like he's a real threat to win the nomination so she has to actually do anything to her stances to beat him.

Doll Is Mine wrote:I hope the American people noticed that Trump's poll numbers improved after the McCain comments.

Country First.

One national poll said his numbers fell off a cliff after the comments. One didn't notice a difference. Over the next couple of weeks as people assimilate the information, you'll have a better idea which is right. I haven't seen anywhere saying his poll numbers improved after the comments. In any case, I hope the American people have a better understanding of how field times work in polling than you do (though they probably don't).

jerseyhoya wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:I hope the American people noticed that Trump's poll numbers improved after the McCain comments.

Country First.

One national poll said his numbers fell off a cliff after the comments. One didn't notice a difference. Over the next couple of weeks as people assimilate the information, you'll have a better idea which is right. I haven't seen anywhere saying his poll numbers improved after the comments. In any case, I hope the American people have a better understanding of how field times work in polling than you do (though they probably don't).

Perception is everything in politics, isn't it?

At least we know I'm the dishonest spinner!

jerseyhoya wrote:At least we know I'm the dishonest spinner!

Glad to see you admitting it.

what the heck man. there are 5 people running on the Dem side. 3 of which 99% of America is not aware of. even if you ignore that, which you shouldn't, it is not difficult math to figure out how 5 candidates would result in higher polling percentages than 16 candidates. this is exactly what I'm talking about.

How many of the republicans have 99 percent of America heard of?

between 10 and 14 have pretty big profiles

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pol ... op-primary

According to what?

jerseyhoya wrote:....it's not like he's a real threat to win the nomination so she has to actually do anything to her stances to beat him.

As so often so much of what you've written has a realistic ring to it, but a little tickling & the giggles can't be repressed.

Hillary has already moved left in public statements on some issues, driven, in the minds of several observers, by Sanders' performance and by Sanders policy. Though not a candidate, Warren will be influential, too. How else might Hillary address her trustworthiness issues among party adherents, if not by showing that "she's listening"? How much will stick into 2016, or beyond the election, that's another matter. But Hillary's stances are, if not wide, then pliable - and will pretty clearly be influenced by the performance, and utterances, of candidates for the same nomination she seeks.

The "DTs" that the 'serious' R nom candidates are displaying is sort of a bizarro inversion of the Dem positioning. Trump is a boob, a fraud, a disgrace to every American of any political persuasion, including the willfully politically ignorant. And yet he will drive policy utterances, or lack of utterances, by those 'serious' R nomination candidates, making a mockery of the entire troupe's claim to be serious about governance. Rick Perry, bless him, has called Trump out for what he is (perhaps largely because it is definitely expedient for for Perry to do so, but I thought he did a nice job of it); the other guys are basically all walleyed and "I'm not a scientist"y about Trump. Lindsey's getting a new phone, so there's that.

Finally, you are sooooooo right that your odds of being the R nominee are better than Trump's. And that is to your beloved party's detriment.

CalvinBall wrote:How many of the republicans have 99 percent of America heard of?

Pretty safe that something less than 99% of America has heard of California. Definitely safe that less than 99% can find it on a map.

Youseff wrote:I think you're a really dishonest guy. Is it fair to compare polling % numbers in race with two candidates in a race versus over a dozen candidates? You're just always trying to spin stuff instead of being honest. I don't get that.

This is rich. One political party cheerleader accuses another political party cheerleader of being dishonest and full of spin. Best thread.

bogth sidesx do it

I don't think Youseff is a Democrat party appologist.

CalvinBall wrote:According to what?

From April: http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/02/ ... gh-stakes/

Thr only potential Democrats that were more heard of than any republican was Clinton and Biden and the latter didn't declare.

td11 wrote:bogth sidesx do it

That was the point. The hypocrisy of the post. Both sides are completely dishonest.

PPP has a poll out showing 10 Republicans with more visibility than Sanders.

Trump still in the lead, but not by as much. Has overlap with Cruz voters and Carson backers.

Old people like Rubio and Walker.

83% of Republican primary voters support background checks for buying guns.

They all hate Christie.