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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Jul 22, 2015 09:06:13

I think the real damage to the GOP will come if he decides to run as an independent in the general
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby Brantt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 09:43:50

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:I think the real damage to the GOP will come if he decides to run as an independent in the general


Agree. He's going to run 3rd party. He's denying he will, but always prefaces his answer with "everyone is begging me to do it."
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Jul 22, 2015 09:55:19

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jerseyhoya wrote:I have a better chance of one day being the Republican nominee for President of the United States than Donald Trump does


jersey is right. The Donald is... well, it's easier to say what he isn't: a serious candidate.

By my count, the Republicans have five, in roughly this order:

Scott Walker
Jeb Bush
Chris Christie
John Kasich
Marco Rubio

I think the odds are top heavy here on 1 & 2. Christie is a long shot but too good a politician to be discounted. Kasich is plausible but uninspiring I would think to the money or to the base. Rubio has electability going for him, but I don't think he is a serious contender otherwise.

The rest are wasting their own and everybody's time I think. The big thing to look at it is who has the real structure in place to run the enormously expensive and time consuming business of a state-by-state primary campaign; you need money and political will in the form of competent (and quite extensive) staff, and plenty of dedicated volunteers. There are really only two who can meet this threshold I believe.

I may be being unfair to Rand Paul, as I examine my list, and too kind to Kasich. I still think the PTB / the traditional base make Paul an unlikely choice, but if Rs are willing to shift to a more libertarian approach to their party it could work (and oddly, I think he would have a much better chance of winning the general than many in my list, because of his more libertarian positioning, which is I think where the majority of Americans really are). Meanwhile, Kasich is sort of a classic guy to run - governor of an absolutely must-win state for Rs to regain control of the WH, who won re-election in a landslide - but I think his national profile is lacking just now (which he can fix), and he is kind of a "dull" choice.

Rubio should be at the top of that list. If I were a betting man, it comes down to him and Bush.
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby TomatoPie » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:34:34

Monkeyboy wrote:I can't believe Trump is seriously running. I also doubt he wants his financials inspected. If he thinks his brand has taken a hit already, wait to people get to know his financial record.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I might think he's running cover for the more legit candidates, making them look more centrist than they are and giving them a chance to polish their routines/stump speeches while also avoiding much scrutiny. It's hard for people to notice how dumb Jeb is when Donald is running around making insane comments.


Trump and Jenner have one thing in common - a desire to be in the spotlight.

Trump is an idiot savant - brilliant at making money in real estate, trailer trash in all other aspects. His unchecked ego is without limits.

But yeah, this is a new low for national politics. Makes George Wallace, Gary Hart, Pat Buchanan, and Pat Paulsen seem like Great Statesmen.


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Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:37:04

TomatoPie wrote:Trump is an idiot savant - brilliant at making money in real estate


Is that even true? He had a huge head start and filed several bankruptcies

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Postby Bucky » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:54:01

how dare you lump pat paulsen in with those losers

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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby Brantt » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:57:09

Grotewold wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:Trump is an idiot savant - brilliant at making money in real estate


Is that even true? He had a huge head start and filed several bankruptcies


Eh.....most of them were strategic and he made a fortune off of going that route.
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Postby TomatoPie » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:50:20

Bucky wrote:how dare you lump pat paulsen in with those losers


Yeah ... sorry about that.
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Postby SK790 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:55:57

Bernie supporters: he'll be doing a Web cast next week around 9 EDT. People all over are hosting small gatherings to view it and help organize support.

Get involved: https://secure.berniesanders.com/page/e ... rch_simple

My roommate and I are hosting 50 folks. Can't wait.
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Postby drsmooth » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:20:39

Brantt wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:Trump is an idiot savant - brilliant at making money in real estate


Is that even true? He had a huge head start and filed several bankruptcies


Eh.....most of them were strategic and he made a fortune off of going that route.


He's like yacht owners - he made a little fortune out of the large fortune amassed by his "real" real estate sharpie, his old man. Donald Trump is a fraud. No businessperson of any talent that I've ever met (probably 100s; small sample size?) talks or acts like him.
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Postby SK790 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:34:28

I know a ton of respectable business people who air out personal feuds on social media.
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Postby pacino » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:35:24

What the hell does Jenner have to so with Trump? Why drag her in?


Anyway, kinda down on Sanders right now.
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Postby SK790 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:37:51

He responded well after the NetRoots thing. That black lady who interrupted has an article up on his site. At least he and MOM had the guts to go and talk about these issues.
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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:52:03

pacino wrote:Anyway, kinda down on Sanders right now.


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Postby td11 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 13:52:40

SK790 wrote:He responded well after the NetRoots thing. That black lady who interrupted has an article up on his site. At least he and MOM had the guts to go and talk about these issues.


that's basically my take. i'm glad bernie and MOM had the patience and understanding to listen
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby pacino » Wed Jul 22, 2015 15:06:55

Seems like the protest worked, then.
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Postby pacino » Wed Jul 22, 2015 15:09:59

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Postby Youseff » Wed Jul 22, 2015 15:20:29

Trump has a double digit lead in the polls for the Republican party but he's not a serious candidate and not a Republican.
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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Jul 22, 2015 15:22:43

He isn't, but what he is doing is monopolizing a process that should be used to vet potential nominees and air dirty laundry as early as possible.
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Re: Trump problem? Combover here and say it to my face! poli

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 22, 2015 15:32:39

Youseff wrote:Trump has a double digit lead in the polls for the Republican party but he's not a serious candidate and not a Republican.

Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain had cameos at or near the top of national polling in Summer/Fall 2011. They were both Republicans, but neither was a serious candidate.

Bernie Sanders is polling a higher percentage of the vote in early states in the Democratic primary than Trump is in the Republican primary. He is a serious candidate but is not a Democrat.

It's almost like it's possible to do well in these things when the election is still a long time away without being a serious candidate or an actual part of the party whose nomination you are seeking.

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