SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

td11 wrote:What a dipshit post

It was a great post

maddie ‏@moscaddie 18 Mar 2014
aspire to have the same level of self-belief as a truly mediocre white man

what's her problem?

jerseyhoya wrote:I just learned Kevin Sorbo was a conservative.

more of a Xena fan but Hercules had it's moments.

Youseff wrote:

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

td11 wrote:What a dipshit post

It was a great post

maddie ‏@moscaddie 18 Mar 2014
aspire to have the same level of self-belief as a truly mediocre white man

what's her problem?

likely that she has a vagina and an opinion.

Youseff wrote:it's a really bad and stupid Republican talking point that morons the caliber of Gavin McGinnes will relay, hours removed from abusing cocaine and sex workers - the idea that because the the Democratic party of the 1800s through the 1960s had very strong racist elements, the perception of that party has to be preserved in amber and we have to disregard the active racism of the Republican party and the evolution of the Democratic mindset because Demz r thu real racistzss durrrrr.

"you're talking all confusing and I can't understand you so I'm right and you're not right and lalalalaLALALALALALA"

that or "it was a great post"

SK790 wrote:

Youseff wrote:

SK790 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

td11 wrote:What a dipshit post

It was a great post

maddie ‏@moscaddie 18 Mar 2014
aspire to have the same level of self-belief as a truly mediocre white man

what's her problem?

likely that she has a vagina and an opinion.

she seems like a rude dumb ass.

jerseyhoya wrote:This means what? The point of him shutting down the country was self preservation political not outcome oriented so he could be shown to be doing something (when at the end of the day he wasn't really doing anything)? Maybe more Greek voters should have muddled their dislike of austerity with their distaste for Tspiras and voted yes then.

Politics guys should be more ass-toot about maneuvers that are political rather than for the benefit of Goldman Sachs Euro Flimflammery Inc: France Takes Greece's Side Against Germany

Shouldn't Fox simply insist that its would-be debaters satisfy a different polling question: "which of these candidates is least offensive to you?" Then draw a line under the 10th-least-offensive.

As it stands, all they'll wind up with is the most-likely-to-be-polarizing-for-some-reason candidates

doc, lets just hope that trump continues to gain in the polls(that FOX will be arbitrarily using).

If Jeb gets the nom I really have feeling that "work more hours" will be the new "47%"

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:If Jeb gets the nom I really have feeling that "work more hours" will be the new "47%"

That feeling is probably just what you had for lunch

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:If Jeb gets the nom I really have feeling that "work more hours" will be the new "47%"

I still say the weirdest part of that utterance was his confidence he has a plan to grow GDP by 4% "as far as the eye can see" or some rubbish

It's at least as bad in substance, I think. It shows he's completely out of touch. Americans already work more hours than pretty much any other industrialized nation.

Josh Marshall had this to say about it...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wev ... -he-is-jeb

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:If Jeb gets the nom I really have feeling that "work more hours" will be the new "47%"

he's running a really clumsy campaign. if it's not a 47% moment it's akin to a Romney porn filters on computers moment.

Monkeyboy wrote:It's at least as bad in substance, I think. It shows he's completely out of touch. Americans already work more hours than pretty much any other industrialized nation.

Josh Marshall had this to say about it...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wev ... -he-is-jeb

If he's lost Josh Marshall, I don't know how he'll continue!

It does happen to be a good example of how you really need to work at twisting what Jeb said in order to get angry at it though. First sentence of Marshall's article: "It goes without saying that it's probably not good politics to say your plan to move the country forward is that everyone needs to work longer hours." - Now of course Jeb didn't say everyone needs to work longer hours. But gosh if he did that sure would be a dumb thing to say. So let's all pretend that's what he said, and talk about how bad he is.

jerseyhoya wrote:...Now of course Jeb didn't say everyone needs to work longer hours. But gosh if he did that sure would be a dumb thing to say. So let's all pretend that's what he said, and talk about how bad he is.

You forgot to quote what Jebya actually did say

jerseyhoya wrote:. But gosh if he did that sure would be a dumb thing to say. So let's all pretend that's what he said, and talk about how bad he is.

Agreed. Let's do that.

What he said was pretty bad. He's out of touch and he doesn't seem to have a clue as to what the average american is experiencing. He's pointing the finger in the wrong direction. The guy has lived a very cushy life. I don't think he gets it.

Spin all you wish but you know the undecideds are essentially dolts that eat up sound bites. You have to admit it was a huge boner. Are you so entrenched that you can't see that?

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:...Now of course Jeb didn't say everyone needs to work longer hours. But gosh if he did that sure would be a dumb thing to say. So let's all pretend that's what he said, and talk about how bad he is.

You forgot to quote what Jebya actually did say

There you go again, dr. What he actually said was:

It means that people need to work longer hours and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families.

Any fool can see that's completely different.

swishnicholson wrote:
There you go again, dr. What he actually said was:

It means that people need to work longer hours and, through their productivity, gain more income for their families.

Any fool can see that's completely different.

Phffftthhh. I would think by now, if nothing else, I've established that I am not just any fool

My aspiration for the country — and I believe we can achieve it — is 4 percent growth as far as the eye can see. Which means we have to be a lot more productive, workforce participation has to rise from its all-time modern lows, means that people need to work longer hours and through their productivity gain more income for their families. That’s the only way we’re going to get out of this rut that we’re in.

The difference between the 47% line and this is night and day. Romney said something dismissive about a large segment of the population. There wasn't any context to it that could make it better. Jeb is making a point talking off the cuff, and the clarification makes plenty of sense. This will remain part of his message throughout the primary and into the general if he makes it there.

If this lingers on at all into the general election, it might be like a Democratic partisan version of Obama's "You didn't build that" line. I think Obama could've made the point that we all owe our success in some part to the structures set up and maintained by the state without sounding dismissive, and if Jeb had a mulligan he'd go back in time and toss a qualifier like people "who want to need to be able to work longer hours." I doubt it will be a lasting thing though because he'll repeat the point about part time workers who want to work full time being given that opportunity many times in the next 16 months. Democrats can try to keep making it a thing, but I have a hard time seeing it moving any actual voters.