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Postby TomatoPie » Thu Dec 04, 2014 13:49:46

Bucky wrote: you can't deny that our reliance on [fossil fuels] is bad for the U.S. economy. Even though we produce more than we consume, and we export more than we import, just this recent drop in prices should be enough evidence. OPEC has decided to maintain production levels in order to allow prices to drop in an attempt to thwart US production efforts. Can we agree that OPEC is the dominant force in controlling oil prices?? And that oil prices have a pretty direct effect on quality of life in the U.S.? And that we have gone to war many times over soley in defense of our oil suppliers?


There are costs and risks associated with our reliance on fossil fuels. The only thing worse would be the absence of this cheap, wonderful, and plentiful fuel source. Think of just about any creature comfort you enjoy, and know that Jesus slaying the dinosaurs made it all possible.

Bucky wrote:Remove oil from the equation, and make the U.S. thrive on renewables


Should you wave your magic wand to make that happen, or shall we use mine? Because it won't happen by tossing money at "alternative energy" developers sucking on the government teat. Consider the subsidy for electric cars. Oh, they are GREAT for the environment, yes? Electricity is clean energy! Pay no attention to the coal-fired power plant.

It's nice to dream about renewable energy. It's particularly fantastic to dream that government will make it happen.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Bucky » Thu Dec 04, 2014 13:57:50

TomatoPie wrote:
Should you wave your magic wand to make that happen, or shall we use mine? Because it won't happen by tossing money at "alternative energy" developers sucking on the government teat. Consider the subsidy for electric cars. Oh, they are GREAT for the environment, yes? Electricity is clean energy! Pay no attention to the coal-fired power plant.



talk about yer strawmen. You'll find about a 99.99999% overlap of people who think electric cars are great and those who think we need to cut over to renewables.

TomatoPie wrote:It's nice to dream about renewable energy. It's particularly fantastic to dream that government will make it happen.


i guess you're right. We'll never put a man on the moon, either.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:01:39

Werthless wrote:Strawman? I was describing myself and my own decision making. I was hoping your reaction would be "No way would I donate money to space travel, that is insane!" If that is your reaction, well, you are donating money on space travel through our taxes!

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Honestly, this is why I don't discuss politics with my libertarian friends. It's not that I think I'm right and you're wrong. You just have a fundamentally different worldview than me. There's just no point in discussing it. If I wanted to have this type of experience, I could just call opposing counsel on one of my cases.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:02:58

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:08:21

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:10:20

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Werthless wrote:Strawman? I was describing myself and my own decision making. I was hoping your reaction would be "No way would I donate money to space travel, that is insane!" If that is your reaction, well, you are donating money on space travel through our taxes!

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Honestly, this is why I don't discuss politics with my libertarian friends. It's not that I think I'm right and you're wrong. You just have a fundamentally different worldview than me. There's just no point in discussing it. If I wanted to have this type of experience, I could just call opposing counsel on one of my cases.

I dunno. I would think liberals would be more hawkish about wasteful spending, but I guess it's kind of hard to expect that given such disparate definitions of waste.

Cheerio!

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:16:00

when the giant Texas sized asteroid is on a path to hit the earth in 100 years my grandkids will be glad we spent money to land on a comet
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:18:06

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:when the giant Texas sized asteroid is on a path to hit the earth in 100 years my grandkids will be glad we spent money to land on a comet


private company already figured that out when they made the movie armageddon

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Postby td11 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:18:52

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:20:36

and while companies can put up their own satellites these days I seriously doubt any company in the 50's and 60's would have made the huge investment to figure out how to get into space and implement it, if anything the creation of NASA has been a huge factor in modern technology and industry
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 04, 2014 14:40:49

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:and while companies can put up their own satellites these days I seriously doubt any company in the 50's and 60's would have made the huge investment to figure out how to get into space and implement it, if anything the creation of NASA has been a huge factor in modern technology and industry

Werthless Rand says no, so it must be true.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 04, 2014 15:03:09

CalvinBall wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:and while companies can put up their own satellites these days I seriously doubt any company in the 50's and 60's would have made the huge investment to figure out how to get into space and implement it, if anything the creation of NASA has been a huge factor in modern technology and industry

Werthless Rand says no, so it must be true.

OK, I'm convinced. NASA is a high ROI investment. We should be expanding our efforts, cutting into social security if necessary.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 04, 2014 15:06:41

no one is saying that. you are a off your rocker.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Dec 04, 2014 15:31:27

Can't we just conquer everyone else and use their wealth for space stuff? I think that's what Ender's Game is about, so why not us?
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Dec 04, 2014 15:45:19

CalvinBall wrote:no one is saying that. you are a off your rocker.

No no, his hyperbolic reactions to anyone saying "hey maybe space exploration is a worthwhile, long-term investment for government that can't/wouldn't be replicated by private industry" are extremely lucid, cogent arguments. Just ask him.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Dec 04, 2014 15:47:30

slugsrbad wrote:Can't we just conquer everyone else and use their wealth for space stuff? I think that's what Ender's Game is about, so why not us?

Can't tell if you're 100% kidding or just didn't read that book.

But given that the Galactic Federation is based out of Earth and everyone speaks English, I'm pretty sure that's what Star Trek is about.

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Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Dec 04, 2014 16:08:41

The Galactic Federation are commies, the Ferengi are the true freedom loving capitalists
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 04, 2014 16:15:41

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:no one is saying that. you are a off your rocker.

No no, his hyperbolic reactions to anyone saying "hey maybe space exploration is a worthwhile, long-term investment for government that can't/wouldn't be replicated by private industry" are extremely lucid, cogent arguments. Just ask him.

Nobody on either side is offering proof. All we're doing is making statements, offering conjecture. I just think it's an Olympic sized waste.

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Postby pacino » Thu Dec 04, 2014 16:15:45

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Dec 04, 2014 16:18:40

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:Can't we just conquer everyone else and use their wealth for space stuff? I think that's what Ender's Game is about, so why not us?

Can't tell if you're 100% kidding or just didn't read that book.

But given that the Galactic Federation is based out of Earth and everyone speaks English, I'm pretty sure that's what Star Trek is about.


Definitely sarcastic, I love Ender's Game and the sequels (mainly the ones that follow Peter/Bean not the ones with Ender/Val).
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