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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Tue Nov 11, 2014 19:05:38

dajafi wrote:Then again, I'm increasingly sympathetic to the "let the states figure it out" default of policymaking, where the externalities are limited (which rules out e.g. environmental stuff) and basic rights aren't imperiled (e.g. voting stuff).


you left out the health care exception, which we now know without question, in the aftermath of the Domestic Ebola Panic of 2014, is a matter of national security.

I fully expect our newly mandated Congressional leadership to unequivocally support a blank-check budget for health coverage expansion to secure our biocellular borders

But seriously, attempting to systematize health care state by state makes no more sense today than it did in the decades before ACA. (that's right; it didn't make sense then)
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Tue Nov 11, 2014 19:14:22

Monkeyboy wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Glenn Beck declaring his condition has longstanding medical roots is [fill in the blank. pro tip: anything fits]



adrenal fatigue?!?!

:lol:

Oh man, he's a jackass and just plain stupid.

Maybe he should buy some McMunn's Elixir of Opium or maybe some Dr Guertin's Nerve Syrup. Or maybe he should have his feet detoxified. Poor guy.


I sincerely hope he gets the help he's so obviously needed for so long.

Selfishly, though, I kind of wish I hadn't seen this announcement, because now some corrosive part of me will feel vindicated about having shouted "get help!" at my teevee those few times his face ever graced it
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 11, 2014 20:41:48

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Nov 11, 2014 20:56:17

Monkeyboy wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Glenn Beck declaring his condition has longstanding medical roots is [fill in the blank. pro tip: anything fits]



adrenal fatigue?!?!

:lol:

Oh man, he's a jackass and just plain stupid.

Maybe he should buy some McMunn's Elixir of Opium or maybe some Dr Guertin's Nerve Syrup. Or maybe he should have his feet detoxified. Poor guy.


Adrenal fatigue or hypoadrenia are terms used in alternative medicine to describe the unproven belief that the adrenal glands are exhausted.

Adrenal fatigue is a term applied to a collection of nonspecific symptoms, such as body aches, fatigue, nervousness, sleep disturbances and digestive problems. The term often shows up in popular health books and on alternative medicine websites, but it isn't an accepted medical diagnosis.

Proponents of the adrenal fatigue diagnosis claim this is a mild form of adrenal insufficiency caused by chronic stress. Existing blood tests, according to this theory, aren't sensitive enough to detect such a small decline in adrenal function.

This medically unrecognized diagnosis from unqualified practitioners has given rise to an industry of dietary supplements marketed to treat adrenal fatigue. These supplements are largely unregulated in the U.S., are ineffective, and in some cases dangerous.


I'm sure he'll find a way to blame Obamacare, especially when the ashwagandha and maca root make his nipples fall off.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 11, 2014 22:55:51

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:37:58

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Phred » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:19:15

Serious question, is there anybody outside of Telecom companies, Telecom company employees* or politicians bought by telecom companies that are against net neutrality? Who and why?



* - I suspect that even most telecom company employees would be for it.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby phatj » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:02:29

I'm not any of those things, and while I would prefer in a vacuum that all traffic be treated equally, I don't think that it's the government's job to tell telecoms how to manage their bandwidth. Let's not pretend like high speed internet is a civil right.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:14:20

phatj wrote:I'm not any of those things, and while I would prefer in a vacuum that all traffic be treated equally, I don't think that it's the government's job to tell telecoms how to manage their bandwidth. Let's not pretend like high speed internet is a civil right.



I get the stance from a purely libertarian view
but ultimately if we did not have net neutrality at the beginning then we may not have seen the growth of dot com tech las it happened

we'd be stuck with Microsoft and AOL or whatever bigger companies were around at the time as our main options for tech as the start ups couldn't afford to pay for the fast lanes

as a consumer net neutrality is a much better option
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:28:25

the sunken costs to buy the 'fast' lanes would be too much for most start-ups. the fast lanes wouldn't be faster than now, the slow lanes would simply be purposefully choked to exert influence over winners and losers in the marketplace of anything really, be it ideas, buying shit online, search engines, what have you. without the fairness it gives way too much power to a telecom firm for no real reason other than they got there first.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:44:18

Face it. The internet isn't cool anymore.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby phatj » Wed Nov 12, 2014 13:48:58

THANKS OBAMA
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby SK790 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 14:08:12

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Pac, idk why you're so worked up. The people of Allentown are very similar to the people of eastern Dauphin County politically...
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby drsmooth » Wed Nov 12, 2014 14:19:22

phatj wrote:Let's not pretend like high speed internet is a civil right.


yeah, though it's one of those squishy "minimum requirements for living in the 21st century in dense human clusters like most of us on the planet do now" kind of "rights", like heat on cold winter days, or treatment at hospitals if you show up there oozing life regardless whether you can demonstrate ability to pay (thanks Ronnie Raygunz)
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby dajafi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 15:11:33

Here's Ezra Klein responding to the David Leonhardt "wage stagnation" article that doc linked a couple days ago.

tl;dr version: Leonhardt is very probably wrong.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:35:42

dajafi wrote:Here's Ezra Klein responding to the David Leonhardt "wage stagnation" article that doc linked a couple days ago.

tl;dr version: Leonhardt is very probably wrong.



Here's the problem with Klein. Much of his case revolves around claims like this:

Democrats won the most votes among voters with the lowest incomes. They won 59 percent of voters making less than $30,000, and 51 percent of voters making between $31,000 and $50,000, and lost every income class above that.


This has always been the case. But it's not an argument that the Democrat's inability to present credible solutions to the problem of wage stagnation. If lower and middle income people really thought that the Dems had an answer, more of them might have voted. Their lack of engagement in the process is evidence that the Dems aren't providing any inspiring message, not that they don't care about wage stagnation.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:40:34

Landrieu and Heitkamp are on the Senate floor sounding like the Koch sisters carrying on about the importance of passing Keystone

Brings a tear to the eye

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:44:53

what is your opinion on net neutrality, jh
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby dajafi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 16:56:18

TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Here's Ezra Klein responding to the David Leonhardt "wage stagnation" article that doc linked a couple days ago.

tl;dr version: Leonhardt is very probably wrong.



Here's the problem with Klein. Much of his case revolves around claims like this:

Democrats won the most votes among voters with the lowest incomes. They won 59 percent of voters making less than $30,000, and 51 percent of voters making between $31,000 and $50,000, and lost every income class above that.


This has always been the case. But it's not an argument that the Democrat's inability to present credible solutions to the problem of wage stagnation. If lower and middle income people really thought that the Dems had an answer, more of them might have voted. Their lack of engagement in the process is evidence that the Dems aren't providing any inspiring message, not that they don't care about wage stagnation.


This is true, and I didn't read Leonhardt's article so I don't know if he cited lower-than-usual turnout among poorer voters. But I think your point less supports (what I understand to be) Leonhardt's argument than incorporates/supersedes it.

IOW, the Democrats didn't provide *any* inspiring messages or compelling reasons to vote, including defense of their own policies. I'm not always a big Elizabeth Drew fan, but I think she's pretty much on target here.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby SK790 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 17:02:18

jerseyhoya wrote:Landrieu and Heitkamp are on the Senate floor sounding like the Koch sisters carrying on about the importance of passing Keystone

Brings a tear to the eye

Think I saw this cartoon in the onion.
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