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Postby td11 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:09:17

i mean this line:

"But a congressional hearing to figure out that coming across the middle looking for a pass is going to hurt when you get smacked? Duh. Why do you think I watch the games?”

is totally disingenuous because the hearing would actually be about the NFL suppressing years of head trauma data, not "you get hurt in football"
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:13:14

Is it really that dangerous at high school? I mean, there's a difference between a 320 pound monster who can run a 4.9 40 running into a QB and a 150 lb. kid running into another 150 lb. kid. In addition, at the HS level, the season is usually 10 or 12 games.
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Postby pacino » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:17:46

My friend is a sports doc for HS...the level of care is worse and there's a ton of injuries.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:25:24

pacino wrote:My friend is a sports doc for HS...the level of care is worse and there's a ton of injuries.


I'd buy that, but that would be true for all sports. Indeed, I suspect that football players probably get more care than players on other teams. Heck, when I was in high school, we had a doctor on the sidelines. The issue though is specifically life long debilitating head injuries.

I believe I'm the only person on the board who thinks kids should not participate in organized sports until they reach high school.
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Postby Bucky » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:44:04

pacino wrote:nearly 2/3 of voters said the economic system is unfair and favors the wealthy.


"I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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Postby The Dude » Thu Nov 06, 2014 18:56:15

We're talking about concussions. You hardly need a 320 lb lineman to get one. Also, most high school players are small as shit and are more susceptible to injuries.

I also read something about an average starting high school player has hit his head around 1000 times by the time he graduates, from games and practice
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby td11 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 19:40:15

TenuredVulture wrote:Is it really that dangerous at high school? I mean, there's a difference between a 320 pound monster who can run a 4.9 40 running into a QB and a 150 lb. kid running into another 150 lb. kid. In addition, at the HS level, the season is usually 10 or 12 games.


have you been to a high school game recently? i played for maybe the worst high school (sports wise) in DE and everyone on varsity was pretty jacked. definitely not 150 pounders running into each other. i mean, on JV, maybe. but the vast majority of the varsity guys were 170+. i don't think any of the linemen were less than 190-200

i regularly saw guys getting berated and cursed out by coaches because they stayed down a tad too long after taking a big hit. it's vicious
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Postby td11 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 19:54:50

also, we used to hit at full tilt in practice during any offense vs defense period. the season was short, but we started camp in july and played 3-4 preseason scrimmages with other schools.
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Postby Slowhand » Thu Nov 06, 2014 20:06:19

TenuredVulture wrote:I believe I'm the only person on the board who thinks kids should not participate in organized sports until they reach high school.


Unless you live in a neighborhood teeming with kids, it's pretty hard to get a decent pickup game of anything other than maybe basketball. There were like a half dozen kids in my neighborhood and most of them played video games and watched TV. If I wanted to play baseball I joined Little League.
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Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 06, 2014 20:44:56

was never sure why semi-organized sports was never do-able

no formalized teams, but play days at which teams would be chosen up, adults around to take care of injuries and irresolvable disputes, kids otherwise "in charge" of how stuff is "organized"

I've always felt the over-organization was more about assuaging the parents worst micromanagement tendencies
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Nov 06, 2014 20:56:07

Bucky wrote:
pacino wrote:nearly 2/3 of voters said the economic system is unfair and favors the wealthy.


"I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it. If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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yep. Tim Wise explains it a lot more detailed than that.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Philly the Kid » Thu Nov 06, 2014 21:01:10

TPP trade agreement -- ugh

LORI WALLACH: Well, the TPP, unfortunately, is really a delivery mechanism for a lot of the things McConnell and the Republicans like. So, for instance, it would increase the duration of patents for Big Pharma and, as a result, give them windfall profits but increase our medicine prices. It could roll back financial regulation on big banks. It could limit Internet freedom, sort of sneak through the back door the Stop Online Piracy Act, SOPA. And—they love this—it would give special privileges and rights for foreign corporations to skirt around our courts and sue the U.S. government to raid our treasury over any environmental, consumer health law that they think undermine their expected future profits, the so-called "investor-state" enforcement system. Plus, it would have the NAFTA-style rules that make it easier to offshore jobs, making it easier to relocate to low-wage countries.

So, the sort of grotesque question is: Why does President Obama like the TPP? It’s pretty clear why McConnell likes it. It was negotiated with the assistance of 600 corporate advisers, official corporate trade advisers in the U.S. The agreement has been the initiative of the Obama administration. It was started by Bush, but instead of turning it around and making it something different, the Obama folks picked it up and, frankly, have made it even more extreme. So, the question really, in a way, is, the Democratic Congress—the Democrats in Congress and the public, including a lot of tea party conservatives, have plenty not to like. Oh, I forgot about the part of TPP where it bans Buy America, Buy Local. Really bad agreement, 29 chapters, only a few of them about trade, so it’s really a sneak attack branded as a trade agreement.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 21:40:47

I am well aware that Wendy Davis lost the Texas governor’s race by a wide margin. It’s salt in a very personal wound. Her campaign meant a lot to me, and to so many other Texas women — thousands of whom stood in line for hours to cast their ballots in support. Greg Abbott won anyway, and he won by a lot. But he didn’t win by a lot across the demographic landscape.

I went to the Texas Tribune first for a dissection of the election results, and one piece of information struck me as particularly… wrong. The Tribune cited CNN exit polls to illustrate the landslide, saying Abbott “beat Davis by lopsided margins with white voters (72-27), men (65-34) and women (52-47). Davis beat Abbott among Latinos (57-42) and African-Americans (93-7).” Last time I checked, though, there were thousands upon thousands of women in Texas considered Latina and African-American — what about their votes?

As RH Reality Check’s Andrea Grimes reports, their votes were solidly in Davis’ favor: 94 percent of black women and 61 percent of Latinas voted for her. Only 32 percent of white women did. That’s certainly not enough women to say that Abbott won the whole gender (though that’s a ludicrous statement in the first place). It seems to be enough, though, to result in the erasure of votes from women of color, Grimes notes:

You’ll hear that Greg Abbott “carried” women voters in Texas. Anyone who says that is also saying this: that Black women and Latinas are not “women,” and that carrying white women is enough to make the blanket statement that Abbott carried all women. That women generally failed to vote for Wendy Davis. As if women of color are some separate entity, some mysterious other, some bizarre demographic of not-women.

White women didn’t just fail Wendy Davis — they failed the rest of Texas, too - Salon is better than the Onion

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:06:49

The piece is fine.
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Postby dajafi » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:08:24

Cutting Salon out of my regular reading was probably one of my wiser moves over the last ten years. I'd like to think that they weren't always the collective Marcus Hayes of contemporary liberalism, but who knows.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:15:32

pacino wrote:The piece is fine.

It's either unhinged lunacy or mathematical illiteracy.

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Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:19:59

You’ll hear that Greg Abbott “carried” women voters in Texas. Anyone who says that is also saying this: that Black women and Latinas are not “women,” and that carrying white women is enough to make the blanket statement that Abbott carried all women.

pacino wrote:The piece is fine.

Because it feels true? I can't recall someone making the argument that mathematical truths, 52>47, can be racist.


I would have loved to see your reaction if I had claimed in 2012 that Obama didnt actually carry women, since he didnt carry white women.
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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:29:28

Monkeyboy wrote:You get your news at michellemalkin.com? She's vile. Even if everything in the article is true (haven't read it), she has no reason to say anything about anything or anyone.

CalvinBall wrote:Malkin is a disgusting, hateful person. Surprised you read her.

You guys are hilarious. I didnt know this site existed until it was linked somewhere else in an article about one of Wendy Davis' supporters twitter breakdowns. Here are the best things about Wendy Davis' campaign, in case you hadnt already known:

1. She accused her opponent of wanting to ban interracial marriage. Her opponent is in an interracial marriage.
2. She aired an ad featuring an empty wheelchair, accusing her disabled opponent of disliking other disabled people.
3. She sent around a photo of proud supporters having just voted for her, and it was revealed that the photo was actually of young GOP voters in another state.
4. She claimed she would indeed support legislation banning abortion after 20 weeks.

That is quite an impressive series of goofs.

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:30:48

dajafi wrote:Cutting Salon out of my regular reading was probably one of my wiser moves over the last ten years. I'd like to think that they weren't always the collective Marcus Hayes of contemporary liberalism, but who knows.

Reading salon regularly = bad for your health

Reading an individual bad salon article that someone sends you = good for your health

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Re: Ink up your Veto Pens this is the POLITICS thread.

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 06, 2014 22:37:39

Davis stated he didn't want other people to have the same power to sue that he did when he got injured.
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