Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:51:51

td11 wrote:not as non-emotive as Hey Lady you gotta let this parasite grow inside you for 9 months whether you have the means to or not

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:52:18

you started it

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:53:05

Barry Jive wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:yes like Obama

you always have a different consideration of what being "for" a cause is than I do

His position in 2008 was identical to the position of the organization that the Mozzilla guy was forced out for. Of course, Obama is more political, nuanced, and makes you believe you're on his side even when you disagree with him. That's why I posted the youtube video of his 2008 comments. He's not endorsing gay marriage, but in fact is "compassionately" endorsing the view that he believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

Are saying "you" referring to me or to the general "you"? There are lots of Obama's policies I would change

General you. Although my earlier post, when I said you voted for him, I'm assuming was true.

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:53:16

i never thought of it that way until i heard a woman who really wanted to get an abortion for a baby she could not afford to have and was causing her immense health issues put it that way

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:53:27

td11 wrote:you started it

Lucky for all of us, your mom thought otherwise!

by **Barry Jive** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:53:52

I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

by **pacino** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:54:11

pretty weak ish being thrown

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:55:11

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:you started it

Lucky for all of us, your mom thought otherwise!

i wish she hadn't

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:55:12

td11 wrote:
Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:i guess if werthless is comfortable framing being pro-choice as "destruction of fetuses" and taking away the "right to breathe air" then i'm OK with calling conservatives women haters

Destruction of fetuses is pretty clinical actually. Much more non-emotive than killing babies, right?

(Half of aborted babies are female... what do we do???)

100 % of abortion seekers are actual human females.... what do we do ??

Let them decide whether they want their baby until the baby is 6 months old. Then they can decide to terminate the parasite. It's hard to know how expensive and intrusive a child is until they are born.

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:56:11

Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

by **pacino** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:57:19

Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

not in 2008, he wasn't. he was the best option for someone for marriage equality.

in any event, :dh:

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:57:29

pacino wrote:pretty weak ish being thrown

td11 wrote:you started it

Td, let's be honest, this one was wasn't your best.

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:57:38

Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

everything is relative. he was for civil unions in 2008 which was a pretty standard liberal position at the time. the only realistic alternative to him, the GOP, believed that gays could be fixed, and some still do.

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:58:21

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:pretty weak ish being thrown

td11 wrote:you started it

Td, let's be honest, this one was wasn't your best.

it's mondya

by **pacino** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 13:59:25

td11 wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

everything is relative. he was for civil unions in 2008 which was a pretty standard liberal position at the time. the only realistic alternative to him, the GOP, believed that gays could be fixed, and some still do.

yep. standards are relative and constantly in flux. the way this has evolved in just 20 years is amazing and heartening. in another ten years, it'll be the equivalent of being offended at people of a different race holding hands in public.

it really shows that public sentiment can change for the good.

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 14:01:08

pacino wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

not in 2008, he wasn't. he was the best option for someone for marriage equality.

in any event,

What about Bob Barr, who in 2008 recanted for his support of DOMA!

(I'm kidding)

by **drsmooth** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 14:01:37

Werthless wrote:Regarding Koch, this is all you need to learn about the fanaticism regarding what they say:

Liberals protest $100 million donation to hospital because David Koch gave the money

The koch's donation of $100 million is, has about the same impact on their resources as the $100 you or I might send to Planned Parenthood (see what I did there)

But in terms of its impact on the operation & priorities of the beneficiary of that gift, naturally it has far more powerful effects than our $100 to Planned Parenthood.

You've no particular reason to be schooled on the, let's call it checkered, history of hospital services management in NYC, so we can probably cut you some slack for the guilelessness of your apparent view that no one could possibly ever have any reason to question the integrity of a generous gift to a hospital - a hospital! - by someone whose reputation is as spotless as that of D.Koch

And if you believe that their quite publicly prominent gift to the hospital did not come with a version, perhaps sotto voce, of Don Corleone's "some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me..." proviso, well, I just don't know what to expect of you any more.

by **Werthless** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 14:03:36

td11 wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

everything is relative. he was for civil unions in 2008 which was a pretty standard liberal position at the time. the only realistic alternative to him, the GOP, believed that gays could be fixed, and some still do.

To a liberal, everything is relative.

:dh:

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 14:04:04

Werthless wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Obama said he reconsidered it and changed his mind. This guy is sticking to his guns. If he came out and recanted it, then I suspect he would have kept his job. They are very different situations.

http://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-ceo-ga ... cause-q-a/

He refuses to recant or reaffirm his position! Burn him!1!
l!

I told you I don't really think the guy should have been canned. I just explained why I thought he was. It's funny how worked up you are about this. You must really hate seeing rich people have their rights infringed upon. Got any outrage for the working class? Personally, I only have so much outrage to go around and I try to save it for the people without golden parachutes and a line of rich friends that will make sure they're set for life, especially since they stood up for the crumbling (especially in those conservative states) institution of marriage.

by **td11** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 14:05:42

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:
Werthless wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:I didn't vote for Obama in 2012, no

That's when he was in support of gay marriage!

I was talking about 2008, when he was a homophobic bigot (to use the words of others in this thread).

everything is relative. he was for civil unions in 2008 which was a pretty standard liberal position at the time. the only realistic alternative to him, the GOP, believed that gays could be fixed, and some still do.

To a liberal, everything is relative.

i don't get it

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