Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Apr 05, 2014 22:43:51

jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote: while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?


I don't get why anyone would want to characterize something they are supposedly in favor of as glibly as this.

I also don't think abortion is murder.


jerseyhoya wrote:One is the murder of an unborn human being while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?


jerseyhoya wrote:One is the murder of an unborn human being


jerseyhoya wrote:murder of an unborn human
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 22:50:36

he doesn't think it's murder. he just writes that it's murder. see the difference?
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Youseff » Sat Apr 05, 2014 22:51:08

he said two things he doesn't think are true as a joke or a rhetorical device, or something.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Sat Apr 05, 2014 22:52:46

jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:the fact that werthless and jh can't see the difference between abortion and gay marriage is just stellar.

One is the murder of an unborn human being while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?

the definition of "human being" in this instance is vague and very much a gray area. homosexuals, on the other hand, are actual people who do not have the full rights that others so and that is fundamentally wrong.

The problem is this is just, like, your opinion, man.

neither one of these are opinions.

there is a very real debate going on about when "life" begins. denying people their rights is also fundamentally wrong.

cool quote, though.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Apr 05, 2014 22:56:33

slugsrbad wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Youseff wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote: while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?


I don't get why anyone would want to characterize something they are supposedly in favor of as glibly as this.

I also don't think abortion is murder.


jerseyhoya wrote:One is the murder of an unborn human being while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?


jerseyhoya wrote:One is the murder of an unborn human being


jerseyhoya wrote:murder of an unborn human

Holy shit you all are struggling here

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:04:55

If you don't think abortion is murder don't glibly say it is, then say it isn't, and then get pissy when people call you out on it.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:13:12

Jesus fucking christ. How many posts have I made in politics threads over the past 7 years? 10,000 maybe? That anyone could think that I agreed with either of those statements is amazing.

Are you all PtK in disguise not actually reading what people write?

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:32:46

SK790 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:the fact that werthless and jh can't see the difference between abortion and gay marriage is just stellar.

One is the murder of an unborn human being while the other is the other is the overturning of millennia of understand of the institution of marriage?

the definition of "human being" in this instance is vague and very much a gray area. homosexuals, on the other hand, are actual people who do not have the full rights that others so and that is fundamentally wrong.

The problem is this is just, like, your opinion, man.

neither one of these are opinions.

there is a very real debate going on about when "life" begins. denying people their rights is also fundamentally wrong.

cool quote, though.

Where you're making your leap is in asserting that gay people don't have full rights because gay marriage is illegal, and that that's fundamentally wrong. It's something that 52% of California voters disagreed with in 2008 when this Mozilla fella gave $1,000 bucks to the campaign. This is also an area where a very real debate is going on.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 02:41:56

abortion is WAY more of a moral gray area than gay marriage and the fact that you won't admit to it and your posts don't reflect that is absurd. there are plenty of obvious reasons why abortion is morally gray. there are no reasons why gay marriage is morally gray unless you're someone who lives your life based on a book written 2,000+ years ago. you're really contorting yourself into knots here trying to drum up sympathy for a guy who got fired because a good portion of the country doesn't support his bigotry.

bottom line is that a rich bigot got fired from his job because he's an intolerant bigot and all you and werthless can do is whine about how oppressed he is. it's a fucking shame that this guy will land on his feet and be just fine while millions of americans are denied a basic civil right because people like this guy keep spouting the same
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 02:49:54

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus fucking christ. How many posts have I made in politics threads over the past 7 years? 10,000 maybe? That anyone could think that I agreed with either of those statements is amazing.

Are you all PtK in disguise not actually reading what people write?

the fact that we could believe that you would think them says a lot more about you than it does about anyone else in this thread, pal.

good debate strategy trying to call into question our collective reading comprehension, though.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 05:54:02

Well, I'm sure the guy knew, as any person higher up in any organization/company knows, that they can be held accountable for their actions if their actions bring bad publicity to that organization, even if it seems unfair. My mother was state director for MADD way back in the day and she had a whole list of things she could lose her job for, such as getting a DUI or just saying something stupid. This isn't abnormal and I'm sure people lose their jobs for ridiculous stuff all the time It's just not as high profile as this. Truthfully, the guy probably shouldn't lose his job for expressing an opinion, even an opinion as stupid as this, but that's the way it's always been. The fact that the right is doing so much handwringing over one rich guy just shows where their priorities are. American workers are suffering right now and the rights to organize and even negotiate contracts are being attacked by the right, but they're spending all their time talking about one guy who doesn't really need their help, at least not in the way millions of others need it. They scream about hypocrisy, but don't even notice their own. "Why doesn't the left care about this one rich guy?" I don't know, man, why don't you care about the millions?
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby SK790 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 07:18:27

Monkeyboy wrote:Well, I'm sure the guy knew, as any person higher up in any organization/company knows, that they can be held accountable for their actions if their actions bring bad publicity to that organization, even if it seems unfair. My mother was state director for MADD way back in the day and she had a whole list of things she could lose her job for, such as getting a DUI or just saying something stupid. This isn't abnormal and I'm sure people lose their jobs for ridiculous stuff all the time It's just not as high profile as this. Truthfully, the guy probably shouldn't lose his job for expressing an opinion, even an opinion as stupid as this, but that's the way it's always been. The fact that the right is doing so much handwringing over one rich guy just shows where their priorities are. American workers are suffering right now and the rights to organize and even negotiate contracts are being attacked by the right, but they're spending all their time talking about one guy who doesn't really need their help, at least not in the way millions of others need it. They scream about hypocrisy, but don't even notice their own. "Why doesn't the left care about this one rich guy?" I don't know, man, why don't you care about the millions?

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby slugsrbad » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:09:02

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus fucking christ. How many posts have I made in politics threads over the past 7 years? 10,000 maybe? That anyone could think that I agreed with either of those statements is amazing.

Are you all PtK in disguise not actually reading what people write?


No offense, but I don't remember every post and every stance you've ever taken. I'm so sorry that I took your words at face value, next time I'll do my research to make sure you're being sarcastic and not contradicting yourself.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby dajafi » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:00:17

Monkeyboy wrote:The fact that the right is doing so much handwringing over one rich guy just shows where their priorities are. American workers are suffering right now and the rights to organize and even negotiate contracts are being attacked by the right, but they're spending all their time talking about one guy who doesn't really need their help, at least not in the way millions of others need it. They scream about hypocrisy, but don't even notice their own. "Why doesn't the left care about this one rich guy?" I don't know, man, why don't you care about the millions?


Because they're not rich. :-D

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So maybe all we'd need for Republicans to actually care about structural issues in the economy is for their children to face long-term under- or unemployment because they're not adequately educated, experienced or connected...

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:02:12

or the Kochs donating millions to cancer research due to cancer hitting them personally.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby pacino » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:19:20

those parts of the ACA you like? too costly to keep:
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) says in a new interview that it would be too costly for Republicans to reinstate some of the more popular provisions of Obamacare if and when the law is repealed, but that Republicans should look for alternatives.
The former GOP vice presidential nominee was asked on Bloomberg's "Political Capital with Al Hunt" about whether Republicans would keep provisions like requiring coverage for pre-existing conditions, keeping kids on their parents' insurance until they are 26 years old and barring insurance companies from having different rates for those whose jobs include physical labor.
The first two provisions are among the most popular parts of Obamacare, which as a whole is not popular. But Ryan says such provisions would also drive up the cost of insurance too much.
"If you look at these kinds of reforms, where they've been tried before — say the state of Kentucky, for example — you basically make it impossible to underwrite insurance," Ryan said, according to an advance transcript. "You dramatically crank up the cost. And you make it hard for people to get affordable health care."
Ryan added that Congress should look at different and more cost-effective ways to accomplish the same kinds of goals.
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby dajafi » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:24:24

Ryan really is one of the more odious people in public life. Sanctimony and dishonesty are not an appealing combination. At least he no longer gets much cover from the Broderite types.

I do wish someone would ask him whether he's ever talked with the Heritage guys who came up with the Obamneycare model in the first place; maybe they could explain to him, in small words, why you need the mandate to have the good stuff.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby td11 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:41:46

jerseyhoya wrote:Jesus fucking christ. How many posts have I made in politics threads over the past 7 years? 10,000 maybe? That anyone could think that I agreed with either of those statements is amazing.

Are you all PtK in disguise not actually reading what people write?


maybe it's because you've voted republican every time for your entire life?
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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Apr 06, 2014 13:50:16

Confronted with the options that I a) actually thought abortion was murder yesterday morning and by yesterday evening had forgotten I thought abortion was murder or b) something else was going on there slugsrbad bravely chose the option steeped in illogic to call me out on it!

And that's understandable because I'm a Republican.

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Re: Crimea and Putinishment (politics)

Postby Barry Jive » Sun Apr 06, 2014 13:56:22

but you do think it's bad that Planned Parenthood prioritizes pro-choice candidates
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