mozartpc27 wrote:Scott Walker is still my current least favorite human being on earth.

he was never a st. louis cardinals

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) earlier this afternoon on CNN, before the vote fell through.

Asked about upcoming vote and whether it will pass: "It would really show those who are Republicans and those across the country who came here to govern and to make law and to do something with their voting card vs. those who would just want to vote no."

Asked about how he has attacked House conservatives through the standoff: "First off, your premise is wrong. To be a conservative...these are not conservatives that do this. To be a conservative you have to know how to count, and we start off in this without even counting the votes. Clearly we didn't have the votes, and so now we've been through this for two weeks. It's playing out exactly as we knew it would. It was not going to get rid of Obamacare, But there are times when we work closely using our majority like we'll try to do tonight. If we can use our majority tonight to give us leverage, I think Harry Reid will have to take this, or something that looks a lot like this."

Responding to a question saying that above amounted to 'fighting words': "It's not fighting, but conservatives know how to count. You have to be here to actually conserve something. When you go out there and tell your constituents we are just going to shut down the government until we get rid of Obamacare, it's just lunacy plain and simple. So this allows us tonight to get 218 Republicans to pass something that would then go over to the Senate that would make some small changes to Obamacare that need to be made."

He has another good line later on: "This is one of those things that some of my conservative friends haven't figured out yet, that without 218 votes in the House, you just don't have any leverage."

The interview goes on and he says Boehner did what he had to with the Cruz strategy because a majority of his caucus supported it, but now a majority realizes it was a mistake. He also admits the Vitter amendment is kinda shitty policy, but it's late in the day and they're trying to get something reasonable passed. When people like this speak in caucus, I wonder what goes through Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann's heads.

Nunes sits in a district Romney won by 15 points. He's got no reason to be mean to the right, but he comes across really well I think. Sounds like a regular guy. Maybe a shade too antagonistic to be speaker, but he'll chair committees for a long damn time. *desperately searching for silver linings in my party after the past three weeks*

is kevin mccarthy the worst person at his job in the US of A?

this is making the rounds around the net

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well i guess all obama has to do is a give a speech to the american people. thanks dylan!

jerseyhoya wrote:I love him so much.

Utterly unsurprising. He hates everything you hate.

I think he is evil. Self-serving, do anything you please to workers to scrape a dime off their backs evil. And nothing will ever convince me otherwise, so don't bother. He would take food out of the mouth of a starving person if he could shave one tenth of one percent off of his tax bill. He is greed personified.

1. There's a deal in place.

2. Seems like the current polling suggest movement towards Dems in a couple races

odds are this wont matter come mid term elections.

CalvinBall wrote:odds are this wont matter come mid term elections.

was talking about odd year elections and gov races. But yeah.

from the politico summary of the reid-mcconnell deal:

The plan includes a proposal offered by McConnell in the 2011 debt ceiling crisis that allows Congress to disapprove of the debt ceiling increase, which means lawmakers will formally vote on whether to reject of the debt ceiling increase until Feb. 7. Obama can veto that legislation if it passes. If Congress fails as expected to gather a two-thirds majority to override the veto, the debt ceiling would be raised.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/g ... z2htzprCbL

so they want to change it so you have to actively vote to NOT raise the debt ceiling. we're still at sequestration level funding, but this is good

Financial markets cheered news of an agreement. The Dow Jones Industrial Average surged more than 200 points on Wednesday morning.

The fact that House Republicans are now planning to go that route marks a stunning reversal for the speaker who had backed his conservative wing’s drive to gut Obamacare as part of the government shutdown fight, now in its third week.

It still is not assured that Congress will send President Barack Obama a bill to sign by Thursday, when the Treasury Department warns the country will start running out of cash to pay its bills. Any senator can also hold up the bill in the Senate past the Thursday deadline, but originating the legislation in the House is the fastest path toward passage for lawmakers and is a sign of urgency in the Capitol.

The bill will barely scathe Obamacare, however, and putting it on the floor will mark a huge concession by the House after sparking a 16-day government shutdown over insistence that the health care law be defunded or delayed as a condition to keep the government open. Dozens of conservatives in the House will be disappointed by the proposal and Boehner will need Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to deliver a bevy of votes to pass the bill.

The deal Reid (D-Nev.) and McConnell (R-Ky.) will announce will reopen the government through Jan. 15, lift the debt ceiling through Feb. 7 and develop a bicameral budget committee that would be required to develop a conference report by Dec. 13.

McConnell was pushing hard to include language to give federal agencies more flexibility to implement the sequester, something Reid was objecting to Wednesday morning, sources say. Democrats argue that provision would make it harder to eliminate the sequester in the future and it was not included in the final package. A new round of sequester cuts will be enacted in January without further congressional action, mostly hitting the defense side of spending.

Harry Reid, whoa

Who gives a shit about defense sequestration.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Who gives a shit about defense sequestration.

it affected things other than the defense budget, too, though

td11 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Who gives a shit about defense sequestration.

it affected things other than the defense budget, too, though

I mean the next round.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

td11 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Who gives a #$!&@ about defense sequestration.

it affected things other than the defense budget, too, though

I mean the next round.

it matters because it will actually bring some of these republicans to the table to relent on the other cuts, most likely

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:odds are this wont matter come mid term elections.

was talking about odd year elections and gov races. But yeah.

I don't know--the AR Sen race is supposed to be pretty close, and I think Tom Cotton being associated with the crazies (not to mention he was probably the member of the House most enthusiastic about bombing Syria) gives Pryor some ammunition. In any event, I think it makes an R takeover of the Senate less likely.

There's the money issue as well--lots of business groups are pretty pissed off at the Republicans today, and very well may adjust their campaign funding to express their views.

And finally, the far right is talking about running primaries against pretty much everyone they can. In this world, some of them are likely to succeed. The question is if they succeed in places with a viable D candidate, it could cost seats. Even if the primary doesn't succeed, it could put some Rs in the uncomfortable position of having to appeal to crazy base and tack to the center, and that's not so easy these days.

so when does this get voted on?

No rush.