All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 15, 2013 16:32:29

Political pressure is building on Republicans to reopen the government and GOP leaders are clearly fearful of failing to act to avert a default on U.S. obligations.

Republicans are in a difficult spot, relinquishing many of their core demands as they take a beating in the polls. As the Republicans met privately to discuss the latest plan, Rep. Steve Southerland, R-Fla., led them in several verses of "Amazing Grace."

"We have to stick together now," said Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby kopphanatic » Tue Oct 15, 2013 16:45:40

I'm half-expecting these guys to pull a Jonestown. And their plan to pass some turd and skip town won't work. Obama can call them back, using the Sergeant-at-Arms if necessary. That would be a spectacle.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby td11 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 17:02:24

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 17:35:54

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That white board was part of a presentation by a faculty fellow at Hillsdale College.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 15, 2013 18:20:44

It's like the fiscal cliff all over again. A couple dozen House Republicans won't support leadership making a reasonable demand that falls short of their absurd expectations, so the House has nothing to bargain with.

Now the most likely outcome is the Senate passing clean CR/debt ceiling with a handful of GOP votes, and Boehner eating the shit sandwich and passing it with 150 Democratic votes. Cruz and Heritage Action will be sure to tell everyone that all we needed to do to get Obamacare defunded was fight a little while longer.

I wonder if they'd push for Boehner's head this time. If I was him, I'd tell Cantor to have fun, resign, and play 18 holes a day with a sac of red wine strapped to my back.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Oct 15, 2013 18:43:59

There are times I've been angry with Boehner during this crisis because it has seemed as though he's only trying to save his own skin by not bringing a clean CR to a vote. But then I realize that post-Boehner might be even worse. As much as I disagree with his politics, I believe John Boehner is a good man who wants to do what's right for the country and would do so but for the TP loonies. Although his actions may be self-serving, his presence as Speaker may be the only thing which may prevent a default. At the end of the day, I think (hope?) he'll bring whatever resolution he has to to a vote to prevent default, even if it costs him his job.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 15, 2013 18:49:15

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Rename it the 'debt roof.' Everybody wants to raise the roof.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby dajafi » Tue Oct 15, 2013 18:54:06

JFLNYC wrote:There are times I've been angry with Boehner during this crisis because it has seemed as though he's only trying to save his own skin by not bringing a clean CR to a vote. But then I realize that post-Boehner might be even worse. As much as I disagree with his politics, I believe John Boehner is a good man who wants to do what's right for the country and would do so but for the TP loonies. Although his actions may be self-serving, his presence as Speaker may be the only thing which may prevent a default. At the end of the day, I think (hope?) he'll bring whatever resolution he has to to a vote to prevent default, even if it costs him his job.


Strongly agree. I asked somewhere upthread why Boehner would even want to keep this awful job, much less trigger an economic disaster to do so. I'm not sure his motivation is après moi, le deluge, but it might be, and it would be.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 19:18:28

JFLNYC wrote:There are times I've been angry with Boehner during this crisis because it has seemed as though he's only trying to save his own skin by not bringing a clean CR to a vote. But then I realize that post-Boehner might be even worse. As much as I disagree with his politics, I believe John Boehner is a good man who wants to do what's right for the country and would do so but for the TP loonies. Although his actions may be self-serving, his presence as Speaker may be the only thing which may prevent a default. At the end of the day, I think (hope?) he'll bring whatever resolution he has to to a vote to prevent default, even if it costs him his job.


"Like"

I fell as though, were this the "good old days," the President, even though he is a member of the opposing party, could offer some meaningful political cover for Boehner, who is in an undeniably difficult position, against the whackadoos in his own party.

But the base of the Republican Party is so anti-Obama on a personal level (if my father is representative) that Obama can do nothing for Boehner at all.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 19:20:19

jerseyhoya wrote:I wonder if they'd push for Boehner's head this time. If I was him, I'd tell Cantor to have fun, resign, and play 18 holes a day with a sac of red wine strapped to my back.


LOL
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 15, 2013 19:36:45

So I told myself I wouldn't vote for Lonegan tomorrow if this wasn't fixed by the time I go to vote

Looking through the independents (of whom there are 6)
Robert Depasquale - Independent - Two of his four issue items are anti-immigration crap. Essentially the guy who thinks Steve fucking Lonegan isn't conservative enough.

Eugene M. LaVergne - D-R Party - Wants a throwback to constitutional principles and make the House bigger and other generic, mostly harmless stuff. Probably has some crazy beliefs too, but I stopped reading when I saw he was arrested last year for stealing over a hundred k from his clients as a lawyer.

Stuart D. Messiner - Alimony Reform Now - Is running for federal office with the tagline about reforming alimony as his main platform. Hmm. Beyond that, he's a Wall Street lawyer who wants to increase federal regulations on Wall Street, pro-choice, pro gay marriage, and holds generically liberal positions. A major point in his favor is he wants Jon Corzine to go to jail. I don't agree with him on a whole lot, but this might be the guy.

Pablo Olivera - Unity is Strength - Doesn't have a website. His bio says nothing. What does Unity is Strength mean? Sounds kind of creepy.

Antonio N. Sabas - Freedom of Choice - "Antonio had seen many instances of gaps in government while living in Irvington New Jersey, he saw many instances that small government was not transparent and to whereas, there was something not forth coming in the judicial system and witnessed and was subjected to police misconduct false arrest and the list goes on. At that point Antonio knew what he had to do in order to make a change and ensure that others would not have to experience what he had to experience. This is why Antonio N. Sabas wants to represent the citizens of New Jersey and the United States of America!" You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

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A compelling case. Bahahaha. God this is so bad.

I'm between Ed the Barber and the Alimony Reform Now guy. Or just voting for Lonegan. Why no Libertarian candidate?

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 15, 2013 19:53:43

@robertcostaNRO: "Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor... House action probably over." --House GOP aide, via e-mail.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 15, 2013 20:03:02

Agree with the Boehner sentiment. Think the guy wants to be a good American. Isn't scummier than any other politician. He appreciates the history of his position as speaker. He just can't lead the loons.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby thephan » Tue Oct 15, 2013 20:06:47

The house compromise vote was not stringent enough for the Tea Party, so they are going in a different direction now. It sounds like that direction is in a clockwise direction down the shitter.

Our s****** lobbyist stopped by the office today, and he had said that the word on the street was they would try to throw up a firewall, then run for the hills.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Oct 15, 2013 20:18:00

Watching fox. Oreilly interviewing stossell. Stossell is some kind of moron.

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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Oct 15, 2013 20:29:32

I think I'm going to have to revise that lecture where I tell the students that the Speaker is the second most powerful position in the US government.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 15, 2013 22:05:30

Gov. Scott Walker's administration used phantom job transfers this year to give double-digit pay raises to two employees and a smaller raise to a third, quickly switching them from one post to as many as three others and then back to their original jobs.:
The biggest pay increase — $14,416 a year — went to a longtime state economist who helped expose flaws in jobs statistics that were hurting the governor's recall election chances, a Journal Sentinel review has found.

Last month, the administration had to backtrack and recoup a retroactive pay raise given to the hardline head of the Capitol Police after the newspaper reported that Chief Dave Erwin and his top deputy had been moved on paper to ghost jobs for two weeks and then back to their real posts at much higher salaries. That makes at least five state employees who were given raises that skirted state limits.

In the latest, Department of Revenue chief economist John Koskinen was transferred through three different high-level jobs at the state Department of Administration and then back to his original post, picking up bumps in his pay as he ping-ponged among them. Along the way, the longtime state employee shed his status as a political appointee and strengthened his civil-service job protections.

Like the police officials, Koskinen was never expected to do any work at his shadow jobs, and those scheduling the transfers considered doing all the job changes in a single day, according to documents released to the newspaper under a request made through the open records law.

In total, Koskinen received a 14.4% raise in pay to $114,917 a year because a private employer had contacted him about a possible job. The raise left Koskinen's pay 26% higher than another chief economist with a comparable job in a different state agency.

Jay Heck, executive director at the group Common Cause in Wisconsin, said the Walker administration shouldn't flout the state's pay rules to give some workers pay increases with acrobatic job transfers. If the raises are needed, the administration should change the system to make it both easier and more transparent to taxpayers, he said.


Rank-and-file state workers received a 1% general pay raise in July, the first general increase in four years for most employees, and they are scheduled to receive another 1% raise in July 2014.


Records show that on May 19, officials moved Veltum from being an administrative manager to a phantom slot as an "architect/engineer manager," a transfer that pushed her annual salary to $80,213.

Two weeks later, Veltum returned to her previous job, receiving a $1,220 per year pay hike as a result of the transfer. She also received a $1,000 lump-sum bonus on the same day, a Journal Sentinel database shows.


"Veltum received offers for jobs in the private sector and at another state agency," Marquis said, explaining the reason for the moves.

In fact, Veltum left DOA in July — six weeks after her transfer from the ghost position — to join the state Department of Safety and Professional Services as a section chief in the field services bureau.

She was the only applicant for the civil service post, which pays $82,246 per year. That's an increase in her base salary of $16,871 from 2011, of which about half came from the phantom transfer.

Marquis said that politics didn't play a role in the raises given to Koskinen or Veltum, just a desire to keep good employees.

"All of these increases were related to retention," Marquis said.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby pacino » Tue Oct 15, 2013 23:01:35

i hope the house passes a clean CR tomorrow and makes ted cruz eat his own shit
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 00:22:32

Scott Walker is still my current least favorite human being on earth.
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Re: All Your Bash Ar Belong To US - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 16, 2013 00:51:48

I love him so much, and if Fatty McGee isn't the nominee, I hope it's a Wisconsinite. Really don't see what's wrong with what pacino posted. The public sector had some talented people working for it, but has some dumb rules, and they figured out how to work them to keep them happy working for the state. Quelle horreur!!!

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