Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby karn » Thu May 02, 2013 23:49:54

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby JFLNYC » Fri May 03, 2013 08:13:59

But just look at how different this Republican House is from the country they are supposed to represent. It’s almost like a parallel government, sitting in for some fantasy nation created in talk-radio land.


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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Fri May 03, 2013 09:42:32

unemployment @ 7.5%, last 2 months revised up to add a combined 114K more jobs. however 10 trillion people dropped out of the workforce and died so none of this matters
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri May 03, 2013 10:26:27

td11 wrote:unemployment @ 7.5%, last 2 months revised up to add a combined 114K more jobs. however 10 trillion people dropped out of the workforce and died so none of this matters

If they died, then that would be different.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

The labor force participation rate has degraded straight through since the recession a few years back. It's the lowest level since 1979 (tied with the last few months). TV, is it conservatives that like to distort and deny basic facts when they don't support their worldview? Personally, I don't think it's a conservative thing, but an indicator of a close-minded partisan from either side.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri May 03, 2013 10:29:07

thought this was pretty interesting via the Atlantic:

% of American adults who describe themselves as pro-life: 50
% of American adults who think second-trimester abortions should be illegal: 64
% of American women who abort after a prenatal Down-syndrome diagnosis (typically in the second trimester), according to a review of hospital-based studies: 85

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:32:19

Houshphandzadeh wrote:thought this was pretty interesting via the Atlantic:

% of American adults who describe themselves as pro-life: 50
% of American adults who think second-trimester abortions should be illegal: 64
% of American women who abort after a prenatal Down-syndrome diagnosis (typically in the second trimester), according to a review of hospital-based studies: 85


reminds me of this
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:44:05

I could see reconciling an essentially "pro-life" position with aborting a fetus with Down syndrome, or any other major brain defect honestly.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 03, 2013 10:44:51

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:unemployment @ 7.5%, last 2 months revised up to add a combined 114K more jobs. however 10 trillion people dropped out of the workforce and died so none of this matters

If they died, then that would be different.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

The labor force participation rate has degraded straight through since the recession a few years back. It's the lowest level since 1979 (tied with the last few months). TV, is it conservatives that like to distort and deny basic facts when they don't support their worldview? Personally, I don't think it's a conservative thing, but an indicator of a close-minded partisan from either side.


Well, for one, I don't hear too many liberals saying the employment picture is great and there's nothing to worry about. But maybe I listen to the wrong liberals. What I don't hear many saying is that labor force participation rates probably have something to do with secular changes--many jobs that were lost in the recession are never coming back. It's why I spend part of my day telling people that unless they want to work in Arkansas working as attorney who is lucky to get mid-five figures or they get at least in the high 160s on their LSATs (with a GPA to match) they shouldn't go to law school.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri May 03, 2013 10:46:10

I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 03, 2013 10:49:15

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant


No, it's when their 15 year old (who never learned about birth control because if you give a teen a condom the first thing they'll do is have sex(if only)) gets knocked up.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:49:59

Houshphandzadeh wrote:I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant


Oh yeah, there's that old saying that "a liberal is someone who hasn't been mugged." Well, a pro-lifer is usually someone who hasn't had a "surprise" yet.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Barry Jive » Fri May 03, 2013 10:50:23

TenuredVulture wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant


No, it's when their 15 year old (who never learned about birth control because if you give a teen a condom the first thing they'll do is have sex(if only)) gets knocked up.


relevant: man in the bar the other day said allowing 15-year-olds access to the morning after pill promotes unprotected sex
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:51:01

Barry Jive wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant


No, it's when their 15 year old (who never learned about birth control because if you give a teen a condom the first thing they'll do is have sex(if only)) gets knocked up.


relevant: man in the bar the other day said allowing 15-year-olds access to the morning after pill promotes unprotected sex


This is why I stopped talking to random people in bars.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Barry Jive » Fri May 03, 2013 10:54:27

i was closing my tab across the bar with a cheshire cat smile on my face
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Fri May 03, 2013 10:58:04

mozartpc27 wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:I really can't at all, but I think the more troubling phenomenon here is that a lot of pro-life people are stridently so right up until they or their spouse get pregnant


Oh yeah, there's that old saying that "a liberal is someone who hasn't been mugged." Well, a pro-lifer is usually someone who hasn't had a "surprise" yet.

Ive been mugged!!! Yay!!!

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Fri May 03, 2013 10:59:23

Barry Jive wrote:i was closing my tab across the bar with a cheshire cat smile on my face


this made me laugh a lot. like you could've just said "i know, dude, isn't it the best :twisted: ?"
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 03, 2013 11:45:34

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:unemployment @ 7.5%, last 2 months revised up to add a combined 114K more jobs. however 10 trillion people dropped out of the workforce and died so none of this matters

If they died, then that would be different.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

The labor force participation rate has degraded straight through since the recession a few years back. It's the lowest level since 1979 (tied with the last few months). TV, is it conservatives that like to distort and deny basic facts when they don't support their worldview? Personally, I don't think it's a conservative thing, but an indicator of a close-minded partisan from either side.


Headline: GOOD JOBS REPORT! BUT...
WORST JOB MARKET RECOVERY SINCE WWII

It's in pretty big letters, from the reactionary Huffington Post

Further, even if liberals were leaving out relevant facts in their spin of basic facts, there's a false equivalency between that common practice and Republican efforts to trump science with their political interests. In addition to the proposed legislation cited above, there's this idea coming from the distinguished gentleman from Texas Lamar Smith: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/3 ... 89107.html

I mean, how is one not completely embarrassed by this? How does a anyone with the ability to walk upright say shit like this?
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Fri May 03, 2013 11:49:54

also i thought my "10 trillion" would really give away the fact that i was being sarcastic and tacitly conceding that i understand it's still not a "great" jobs report

i will say that i appreciate conservatives harping on all the negatives of these monthly reports because it has forced me to read about the difference between the 10 trillion different unemployment rate calculations
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 03, 2013 11:51:48

td11 wrote:also i thought my "10 trillion" would really give away the fact that i was being sarcastic and tacitly conceding that i understand it's still not a "great" jobs report

i will say that i appreciate conservatives harping on all the negatives of these monthly reports because it has forced me to read about the difference between the 10 trillion different unemployment rate calculations



Don't worry. The Republicans are going to pass a law that will stop the government from collecting and disseminating this information. Because ignorance is fun.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri May 03, 2013 11:59:38

TenuredVulture wrote:Headline: GOOD JOBS REPORT! BUT...
WORST JOB MARKET RECOVERY SINCE WWII

It's in pretty big letters, from the reactionary Huffington Post

Not that I don't believe you, but I couldnt find it. Did they change the headline on this article? I found this article through google because it does mention that it's the worst job market recovery since WWII in paragraph 13.

My point is not that all liberals trumpet the unemployment rate foolishly. I was merely addressing td11's sarcastic remark suggesting that job growth has been good.

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