Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby td11 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:46:00

Cheney to GOP leaders: ‘We’re in deep doo doo’ on North Korea

Republican leaders in Congress received a dire warning on Tuesday from former Vice President Dick Cheney on the ongoing crisis in North Korea.

“We’re in deep doo doo,” Cheney told lawmakers, according to a GOP leadership aide.

Cheney added the current North Korean leader, Kim Jong Un, is unpredictable and doesn't share the United States worldview.

One lawmaker present at the session, Rep. Steve Southerland of Florida, said Cheney wore a cowboy hat and "looked really good, spoke really clearly, lucidly.”

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:16:39

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:28:21

Did Cheney say really say "doo doo"?

Did he mention that his own foreign policy was to ignore North Korea and instead concentrate on the paper tiger of Iraq? (I'm not saying there really was much that Bush and co could have done regarding N. Korea, but the doo doo didn't start piling up yesterday either.)
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Thu Apr 11, 2013 13:18:19

Axelrod tapdanced on Maddow last night about benefit cuts and the CPI change. 'path toward solvency', 'beyond politics'...stfu, this is, as Maddow likes to call it, 'punching the hippie'. Alexrod peddled a bunch of lies about solvency, 'keeping it for hte future', etc, as though the ONLY way is to cut benefits for people who dont have lobbyists.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 11, 2013 13:35:05

jerseyhoya wrote:To say nothing of the fact that you manage to draw the conclusion from my posts that weren't about certain issues that I have a lack of awareness of her views on those issues is weird



jeez, you win; Maggie Thatcher gave birth to Burke and Hayek and she's the Wonder Woman to Ronnie Raygun'z Superman. Given the chance to start governance from scratch, she'd encourage people to learn to live like wolves, red in tooth & claw, and on that same blank page she'd draw up a plan to start with negative income tax rates. And the health care environment she inherited was 180 degrees the opposite of that in place when Obama took office. It's all so clear now that you've laid it out for us this way.


You're just pissed that these days the only kind of players "your team" puts up front for you to cheer for consists of these screwballs

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Apr 11, 2013 14:47:00

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:05:05

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:07:13

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:19:58

jerseyhoya wrote:#analysis



speaking of, do you have any ideas why Rubio wants to be on record among the wingnuts voting not to bring the gun violence bills to a vote when he can see his no vote doesn't matter?

The other guys are crazed/old/old & crazed, but he's supposed to have national aspirations or something. How does this vote work for him? Forget guns - he just voted against dead 6-year-olds and their parents, and freedom, and the american way, and stuff
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:21:47

drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:#analysis



speaking of, do you have any ideas why Rubio wants to be on record among the wingnuts voting not to bring the gun violence bills to a vote when he can see his no vote doesn't matter?

The other guys are crazed/old/old & crazed, but he's supposed to have national aspirations or something. How does this vote work for him?


He wants to win the Republican primary. I suspect he needs this to balance his support of immigration reform in order to be acceptable to the "base".
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:43:42

TenuredVulture wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:#analysis



speaking of, do you have any ideas why Rubio wants to be on record among the wingnuts voting not to bring the gun violence bills to a vote when he can see his no vote doesn't matter?

The other guys are crazed/old/old & crazed, but he's supposed to have national aspirations or something. How does this vote work for him?


He wants to win the Republican primary. I suspect he needs this to balance his support of immigration reform in order to be acceptable to the "base".


Problem is you can't run away from it fast or far enough once you're in the general election. And it's bad for anyone who would run with him, isn't it?
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Apr 11, 2013 16:49:46

drsmooth wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:#analysis



speaking of, do you have any ideas why Rubio wants to be on record among the wingnuts voting not to bring the gun violence bills to a vote when he can see his no vote doesn't matter?

The other guys are crazed/old/old & crazed, but he's supposed to have national aspirations or something. How does this vote work for him?


He wants to win the Republican primary. I suspect he needs this to balance his support of immigration reform in order to be acceptable to the "base".


Problem is you can't run away from it fast or far enough once you're in the general election. And it's bad for anyone who would run with him, isn't it?


They don't actually want to win the election--they make more money being in the opposition. The problem during the Bush years is that the lobbyists and such didn't get paid so much, because industry and the wealthy knew Bush would give them what they want without having to lobby.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 11, 2013 21:56:28

TenuredVulture wrote:
They don't actually want to win the election--they make more money being in the opposition. The problem during the Bush years is that the lobbyists and such didn't get paid so much, because industry and the wealthy knew Bush would give them what they want without having to lobby.


Count me startled at the acute cynicism of your analysis. That it feels really accurate only intensifies my startilicity
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby drsmooth » Thu Apr 11, 2013 23:07:43

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Fri Apr 12, 2013 08:49:29

so is the president ONE of the worst negotiators in history, or THE worst negotiator in history? Yeah, let's start with what they want, and then hope htey give you a LITTLE of what you theoretically want. Or, perhaps the prez also wants to cut social security and hurt seniors and drive them back into poverty over the long-term so he can get a grand bargain on his legacy.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:43:40

TenuredVulture wrote:They don't actually want to win the election--they make more money being in the opposition. The problem during the Bush years is that the lobbyists and such didn't get paid so much, because industry and the wealthy knew Bush would give them what they want without having to lobby.

Do you really believe this? Isn't the simplest answer, that in order to win the general election one must win the primary, the most reasonable? It doesn't require a tin foil hat, too.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby Werthless » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:45:04

pacino wrote:so is the president ONE of the worst negotiators in history, or THE worst negotiator in history? Yeah, let's start with what they want, and then hope htey give you a LITTLE of what you theoretically want. Or, perhaps the prez also wants to cut social security and hurt seniors and drive them back into poverty over the long-term so he can get a grand bargain on his legacy.

Yeah, a really weird stance to come out for a chained CPI.

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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby pacino » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:00:27

it's a terrible neogiating tactic, unless that's what he actually wants. based on what most of what they're saying, he wants it.

this is beginning to mirror hte healthcare debate, where Obama proposes the republican idea, republicans get to vote against it because the O man proposed it, make it a little less efficient, and then get what they want because it was their idea in the first place.
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Re: Arugments and Sensitivity Training Regarding POLITICS

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Apr 12, 2013 13:33:36

Werthless wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:They don't actually want to win the election--they make more money being in the opposition. The problem during the Bush years is that the lobbyists and such didn't get paid so much, because industry and the wealthy knew Bush would give them what they want without having to lobby.

Do you really believe this? Isn't the simplest answer, that in order to win the general election one must win the primary, the most reasonable? It doesn't require a tin foil hat, too.


I don't believe this is the official position of the RNC or anything like that, but I do believe that political consultants and lobbyists are rational actors, and care a lot more about their personal welfare than the cause they're hired to promote. Thus, their primary objective is to maximize their revenue--winning elections is secondary. (Obviously, at some point, if you don't win, people will stop hiring you, so the goals aren't mutually exclusive.)

As far as lobbyists for say Monsanto or the energy industry--if you look at how traditional PACs finance campaigns, you see that they don't care who wins--they give money to ensure access, not to influence electoral outcomes.

I do think that the Limbaugh types really don't care at all about helping Republicans win elections. They care about getting a large audience. Saying outrageous things like calling people who use birth control sluts puts Republicans in an awkward position, but it's great for ratings.
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