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by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:13:38

TenuredVulture wrote:I read today that the number of law school applicants is way down--54k, compared to over 100k in 2004. I wonder if the prospects for law school grads in say 2017 might be pretty good, assuming that the reduction in applicants reflects a similar reduction in number of people graduating law school.

Are you talking about the NY Times article? The real problem for law school grads is that Big Law is never going to operate the same way again. Paul Campos at Lawyers Guns & Money discussed that same problem today. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/01/law-and-economics

More schools need to adopt the law practice approach for 3Ls that Washington & Lee started and a few other schools are starting to mimic--a skills immersion seminar followed by clinic/externship work and actual legal work. That would short-circuit at least part of the problem.

by **PrattRules** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:25:36

Houshphandzadeh wrote:
PrattRules wrote:
Houshphandzadeh wrote:Underdogs has a dog called the Chicago, which I ordered by accident to my future pleasure, that has tomatoes, onions, a spear of pickle, long hots, and spicy mustard on it and is cot dang delicious for a mere 3.75

I'm always weary of something like it. Yeah, it's only 3.75, but would you get full off of one of those guys. I'd much rather get a 6 buck hoagie that will fill me. That hot dog does sound amazing though.

PRO TIP: french fries

I think we can agree, and BSG can vouch, that my idea of a filling lunch is a little different than yours.

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:27:59

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:I read today that the number of law school applicants is way down--54k, compared to over 100k in 2004. I wonder if the prospects for law school grads in say 2017 might be pretty good, assuming that the reduction in applicants reflects a similar reduction in number of people graduating law school.

Are you talking about the NY Times article? The real problem for law school grads is that Big Law is never going to operate the same way again. Paul Campos at Lawyers Guns & Money discussed that same problem today. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/01/law-and-economics

More schools need to adopt the law practice approach for 3Ls that Washington & Lee started and a few other schools are starting to mimic--a skills immersion seminar followed by clinic/externship work and actual legal work. That would short-circuit at least part of the problem.

The leverage model is going to be toast at all but the most elite law firms and for the most critical cases. Most low-level work (the work that I did as 1st through 3rd year lawyer) is already being performed by contract lawyers, in many cases in India. Many companies are refusing to pay for 1st and 2nd year lawyers.

What I think you are going to see is a continued decline in summer programs/hiring out of law school by big firms. The elite schools will still do fine, but most new lawyers will basically be forced to "apprentice" at mid-tier, lower paying jobs. The best firms will wait until those lawyers have developed a skillset that they can utilize and poach them at that point.

What you find is that most companies are more than happy to pay $1200 an hour for Ted Wells or a well-connected partner. What they don't want to pay for is a $350 an hour 2nd year associate.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:46:42

Right, which is what Paul Campos was discussing in his blog writeup where he ripped apart a USC Law prof for laughingly arguing that there isn't a supply and demand mismatch because "we have an exploding demand for both ordinary folk lawyers and big corporate ones." That's technically correct, but willfully ignorant of what's actually happening out there.

by **JUburton** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 15:58:23

are you guys telling me to not go to law school

side note, i should be hearing re: w&l scholarship today or tomorrow.

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:01:34

JUburton wrote:are you guys telling me to not go to law school

side note, i should be hearing re: w&l scholarship today or tomorrow.

Make sure you do really, really well.

by **JUburton** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:03:45

Trent Steele wrote:
JUburton wrote:are you guys telling me to not go to law school

side note, i should be hearing re: w&l scholarship today or tomorrow.

Make sure you do really, really well.

Yeah, I'm basically not going unless a mid level school (vandy/w&l...even temple) gives me a ton of money or a T14 gives me a bit of money. I'm good enough in my current field that it's probably not a worthwhile risk otherwise.

by **TenuredVulture** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:21:29

None of the students I advise on law school (and be assured I do not encourage anyone to go, and in many cases I do discourage students from going but if they are determined to go I try to help them make the least bad choice...) are going big law. Most are going to stay in AR--of those who have finished and are working, that I know about two are in state government, and one is working for a Little Rock firm. None are unemployed, but none are making big money. I'm wondering if those kind of jobs aren't going to be more difficult to fill in future. I do think people need to realize how little money they make if they take a job in small firm in a small town.

by **Youseff** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 16:53:36

does the story Rip Van Winkle have a lesson or a moral in it like many stories of it's day? because the only one I can deduce is if you are lazy and skirt your responsibilities the annoying things in your life will eventually go away.

by **Soren** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:06:18

looking back at wrestling dudes I liked when I was a kid is fucking depressing. Those guys are almost all trainwrecks.

by **PrattRules** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:07:27

Soren wrote:looking back at wrestling dudes I liked when I was a kid is fucking depressing. Those guys are almost all trainwrecks.

There was just an article on how Jake "The Snake" Roberts was rebuilding his life.

by **Soren** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:09:41

PrattRules wrote:
Soren wrote:looking back at wrestling dudes I liked when I was a kid is #$!&@ depressing. Those guys are almost all trainwrecks.

There was just an article on how Jake "The Snake" Roberts was rebuilding his life.

yea just saw that.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:20:14

JUburton wrote:mid level school (vandy/w&l...even temple)

by **BigEd76** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:45:47

Soren wrote:looking back at wrestling dudes I liked when I was a kid is fucking depressing. Those guys are almost all trainwrecks.

"Macho Man" Randy Savage
Miss Elizabeth
Andre the Giant
Capt. Lou Albano
Big John Studd
Big Bossman
Bam Bam Bigelow
Mr. Perfect
British Bulldog
Junkyard Dog
Yokozuna
Earthquake
Road Warrior Hawk
Owen Hart
Rick Rude
Luna Vachon
Ludvig Borga
Bastian Booger
Gorilla Monsoon
Lord Alfred Hayes

All dead

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:47:02

but at least we can say they truly lived

by **pacino** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 17:54:26

did not realize luna was dead.

by **JUburton** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 18:20:42

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
JUburton wrote:mid level school (vandy/w&l...even temple)

Right, but Temple places relatively well in Philly.

by **Swiggers** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 18:35:02

mozartpc27 wrote:
Swiggers wrote:It's weird, for sure. But they found no signs of foul play, that is, no evidence of being shot or stabbed or hit with a blunt object or fighting back on an attacker. If someone killed her, then they pushed her in without her putting up much of a struggle. And that's very hard to prove barring any witnesses.

Well how the hell did she fall in? I've been in Lambertville/NH lots of times. If she took a direct route from the bar to the bridge, it shouldn't have been that easy to fall in. I guess you can walk alongside the canal behind that one restaurant there, and I know my dog was flirting with jumping into the canal when I was there with her last spring.

The bridge where she walked across the canal (not the river, the canal) has a very short and sloped guard rail. Other points on her way home, the path runs right next to the canal and has no guard rail. It was icy and she could have been drunk (she was not working that night, but hanging out with friends at the bar). So falling in or being pushed in are both plausible.

by **PrattRules** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 20:56:14

As long as Hacksaw Jim Duggan is still breathing, everything will be OK.

by **phatj** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 21:12:24

If you run down a kid skateboarding the wrong way down the middle of a one way street, wearing black at night, is that bad?

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