CalvinBall wrote:jh, you said obama didnt propose meaningful cuts. what is this all about then?

Obama's proposals were parameters he was willing to accept at best, not an actual plan to cut spending.

But if one of your major goals is to deny Obama any kind of legacy, didn't the republicans do just fine? Two months from now, we'll still be dealing with this crap instead of meaningful changes that he may have pulled off given the asswhooping he gave Sir Mitt. They have blunted his win and taken the momentum from any changes he wanted to make.

Maybe Obama needs to use Nancy Reagan's astrologer to make decisions about the direction of the country like Saint Ronnie did. Maybe it would have helped Obama see in advance that the Republicans in power don't give a crap about the country anymore.

christie laying into house repubs.

CHRISTIE

Andrew Kaczynski ‏@BuzzFeedAndrew
Chris Christie says blame for the delayed Sandy response falls on: "The House Majority and their Speaker John Boehner."

this stuff is really not too surprising to me anymore

jerseyhoya wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:jh, you said obama didnt propose meaningful cuts. what is this all about then?

Obama's proposals were parameters he was willing to accept at best, not an actual plan to cut spending.

I'm liking him more and more.

I wonder if Boehner is done.

CalvinBall wrote:christie laying into house repubs.

From Lobiondo's facebook page:

My remarks on the House Floor right now in ABSOLUTE ANGER at Speaker Boehner and GOP Leadership for adjourning before federal assistance for our communities and those devastated by Hurricane Sandy could be voted on. Raising hell will the NJ/NY delegations and Governors Christie & Cuomo. UNACCEPTABLE that other regions get immediate assistance in their time of need but our families and businesses do not.

#tcot is not happy. i think they are done with christie.

Go Chris Christie!

CalvinBall wrote:#tcot is not happy. i think they are done with christie.

WASTEFUL SPENDING

they better damn well like their 2016 nominee. not liking their previous 2 didn't really help them much. he's pretty freaking conservative in my book, he's just not hateful based on race and ethnicity and overly crazy like so many that use the #tcot at the end of their tweets.

CalvinBall wrote:#tcot is not happy. i think they are done with christie.

it's the other way around. the teepers are dead, they just don't know it yet

jerseyhoya wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:jh, you said obama didnt propose meaningful cuts. what is this all about then?

Obama's proposals were parameters he was willing to accept at best, not an actual plan to cut spending.

the republican bloc is chock full of responsible experts on government thrift. They should volunteer one of their legion - hey, Paul Ryan! - to lead the charge, because they are marvelous at this sort of thing. Why not have the superior talent take the lead, the glory, and the credit?

in other things house republicans failed to do:

the VAWA act expired.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/ ... n-act?lite

CalvinBall wrote:in other things house republicans failed to do:

the VAWA act expired.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/ ... n-act?lite

Well, VAWA expired a few months ago, but yeah this is quietly an awful outcome. Lots of domestic violence shelters, which operate on shoestring budgets and rely heavily on both donations and grants, will close if VAWA is not immediately restored. Lots of state programs for victims will get scrapped due to lack of funding.

This entire debacle is due to a ridiculous disagreement over jurisdiction for non-Native Americans who assault Native Americans on tribal lands. The new version of VAWA attempted to fix a loophole where non-Native Americans were not being prosecuted for assaults on Native Americans on tribal lands b/c the US DOJ had to handle it, but they use the standards set forth in the Major Crimes Act in determining whether to prosecute. Oh and the new version would've included the gays.

FTR, House Pubs passed a version that excluded the new provisions.

CalvinBall wrote:in other things house republicans failed to do:

the VAWA act expired.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/ ... n-act?lite

The pro-rape party.

The partisan democrat in me is kind of glad the Republicans didn't renew it. Completely tone deaf, and only reinforces their demographic weaknesses, which are growing.

This issue is one of my personal pet peeves. This is the type of argument against VAWA:

One of the ways such bills exist is through clever naming of leftist proposals. We have "prochoice" instead of "pro-abortion" and we have this law, which promises to end violence against women. Those who oppose such positive-sounding measures appear to be heartless and are on the defensive at the outset. But there is no escaping the negative aspects of this act. The bill is a boondoggle for feminist groups (follow the money) and the funds go to "re-train" judges and other officials in the details of "women's rights" rather than addressing the major problems of battered women who end up in hospital emergency rooms. We know from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that there are roughly 30 factors that lead to violent, abusive behavior, most notably, anger, drug addiction, and alcohol abuse. Sadly, instead of rehabilitation programs that address those behaviors, the Violence Against Women Act promotes a feminist agenda.

No, you idiot, the funds go towards training judges, prosecutors, and law enforcement on how to handle protective orders and abuse cases. It educates them on the social problems, the science behind things like rape kits, and the psychological impact on the victim (e.g., the common problems with a victim's testimony, etc.). If that's a "feminist agenda," then I guess science and criminal procedure are part of the feminist agenda too.

How do I know? My wife used to run the training programs here in VA (the feminist capital of the world I guess).

"feminist" is somehow a bad word to the right

What the House Republicans are doing with the Sandy Relief Bill to punish Democrats and Chris Christie is beyond disgusting. Honest to God, for the first time in my life I'm seriously starting to think that dividing into two countries might be the only solution. If the red states are determined to devolve into a third world country, let them, but don't drag the rest of us with them.