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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 28, 2012 19:45:53

Sweeney is going to run for governor if Booker doesn't. I don't think he can win a 2 way Dem primary against a liberal from North Jersey, but if a few North Jersey candidates get in he could maybe win with 35%. He'd be a decent general election candidate and would probably be a decent governor. Better than McGreevey and Corzine, and really anyone else the Dems might put up outside Booker and possibly Codey.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Bucky » Wed Nov 28, 2012 19:51:37

Shouldn't the dems just concede this one

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 28, 2012 20:00:44

It's New Jersey, and Christie is a Republican. He'll have trouble getting 50% by next November.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Nov 28, 2012 20:11:26

JH, if you were booker would you run?

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 28, 2012 20:14:01

He should run for old man Frank's Senate seat in 2014.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Nov 28, 2012 22:22:11

Runyan, Meehan rethink no tax hike pledge

Although Toomey is sticking to his guns. I am really going to enjoy seeing him get crushed next election.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Nov 28, 2012 22:35:33

How is what Toomey is saying any different from Runyan and Meehan?

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:11:54

jerseyhoya wrote:How is what Toomey is saying any different from Runyan and Meehan?


TheHill.com wrote:“I don’t intend to violate any pledge,” said Toomey during an interview on CNN’s “Starting Point...."My pledge is not to support higher taxes,"”


Philly.com wrote:U.S. Reps. Pat Meehan of Pennsylvania and Jon Runyan of New Jersey said Tuesday that they would not be held to the pledge they once signed....


It's only November 28th, and there's plenty of ground to give back yet. These guys have to know this whole "yeah, we'll raise revenues, just not rates" line is total horseshit and only a few in Congress don't know that already. I feel like they'll do as Tom Cole has advised them to.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:14:53

Two of them say they won't be held to the pledge, one seems to be arguing that making taxes go up by less than they're scheduled to (while agreeing to an increase in revenues) means he isn't violating the pledge. But all three are on the same page policy wise.

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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:28:31

jerseyhoya wrote:Sweeney is going to run for governor if Booker doesn't. I don't think he can win a 2 way Dem primary against a liberal from North Jersey, but if a few North Jersey candidates get in he could maybe win with 35%. He'd be a decent general election candidate and would probably be a decent governor. Better than McGreevey and Corzine, and really anyone else the Dems might put up outside Booker and possibly Codey.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:31:06

What's your thing with Sweeney?

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:34:10

jerseyhoya wrote:What's your thing with Sweeney?

I might be working for him this summer.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 29, 2012 00:39:05

jerseyhoya wrote:Two of them say they won't be held to the pledge, one seems to be arguing that making taxes go up by less than they're scheduled to (while agreeing to an increase in revenues) means he isn't violating the pledge. But all three are on the same page policy wise.


You know how this stuff works. Toomey's standing on his head to avoid "de-pledging"; the other two are basically shrugging and saying "fuck the pledge, I never liked that scuzzy little prickledick anyway".

Marching lockstep they ain't.
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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Nov 29, 2012 01:39:22

All I know about Toomey is that he is so in bed with his goddamn ultra-rich buddies that he has no concept of economic reality. He cares about making himself and his "job creators" richer and that is it. He still pushes supply-side economics although it was been discredited in regards to the middle class for 30 years. Why? Because he and his friends benefits from it. He is a total complete POS.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 29, 2012 07:49:13

Paraphrasing Romney's top advisor Stuart Stevens: We got more white, middle-class people to vote for us, so we really didn't lose the election. The people who voted for us are the heart of America. Obama won because he's black and charismatic and got people to give him money.

Yeh, keep talking and writing your op-eds, please. Democrats should pay to have a convention where these guys come and talk. The soundbites coming out of such an exercise would go a long way towards beating Christie/Rubio in 2016.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 29, 2012 09:01:16

Widely recognized economic theorists like TomatoPie blandly maintain that "if you tax a behavior, you'll get less of it", while absurdly wealthy actual investors like Warren Buffett and guys running big honking businesses like Joe Echevarria Deloitte LLP are confirming publicly that in fact investors don't stop investing should you adjust tax rates - whether income or capital gains, or other - upward.

Of course these assertions are not mutually exclusive. The devil - the "so do you raise rates, or don't you?" - is in the details.
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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 29, 2012 09:55:52

Heath Schuler was hired by Duke Energy; however, he has this pesky little current job until the new year of being a congressman. He gets to vote on energy subisidies yet. As long as legislation doesn't specifically have 'Duke Energy; in it.
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Postby pacino » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:23:04

Iran and China and plenty of others nations have and have used drones. Hezbollah used one to spy on a nuclear facility to see if it could reach it.

YAY DRONES, welcome to new warfare.


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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:34:03

New Jersey voters like Frank Lautenberg well enough. He has a 43/36 approval rating and in a hypothetical match up with Republican Lieutenant Governor Kim Guadagno he would lead right now by a 15 point margin at 48/33.

Democratic primary voters are pretty happy with Lautenberg right now too. 63% approve of the job he's doing to 18% who disapprove. Nevertheless they're ready for a fresher face in the Senate. Only 36% of them think Lautenberg should seek another term in 2014, while 45% think he should retire and 20% are not sure.

If Lautenberg was to retire- or even if he doesn't- the choice of New Jersey Democrats to be their next Senator is clear: Cory Booker. By a 59/22 margin Democrats say they would prefer their candidate in 2014 be Booker than Lautenberg. And Booker emerges as the strong favorite in an open seat situation too. 48% would want Booker as their candidate compared to 17% for Rob Andrews and 13% for Frank Pallone, both Congressmen who have shown an interest in moving up.

Booker would be even stronger than Lautenberg in a head to head match up with Guadagno, leading her 52 to 29. 48% of New Jersey voters have a favorable opinion of Booker to only 20% with a negative one. He's very popular with Democrats (60/13) and independents (45/21) and even comes close to breaking even with Republicans at 29/34. In the match up with Guadagno he takes 21% of the GOP vote while losing only 7% of Democrats, and wins independents by an 18 point margin.

An open seat situation could be a little bit dicier for Democrats if Booker didn't choose to run. Andrews leads Guadagno 35/34 in a hypothetical match up and Pallone ties her at 32. There are more than twice as many undecided Democrats as Republicans in each of those scenarios though so it still seems unlikely this seat would prove to be a top tier pick up opportunity for the GOP even in an open seat situation.

The Governor's race would be an uphill battle for Booker as two polls released earlier this week show and ours, out tomorrow, will as well. But the Senate seat may be his for the taking if he's looking for a promotion.

Booker Could Win Senate Seat - PPP doing the lord's work. Stay away from Christie, Booker.

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Re: Super Fun Time Politics Thread in Which We Discuss Stuff

Postby Grotewold » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:37:20

drsmooth wrote:Widely recognized economic theorists like TomatoPie blandly maintain that "if you tax a behavior, you'll get less of it", while absurdly wealthy actual investors like Warren Buffett and guys running big honking businesses like Joe Echevarria Deloitte LLP are confirming publicly that in fact investors don't stop investing should you adjust tax rates - whether income or capital gains, or other - upward.


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