The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby drsmooth » Wed Nov 14, 2012 22:35:29

jerseyhoya wrote:When you combine that with two of the top three in the House GOP leadership being under 50 years old, and all three of the Dems being over 70, it's not a weird question.


they're congresspersons. They aren't subjected to the same sort of stresses as, say, fighter pilots
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Wed Nov 14, 2012 22:52:45

I don't understand why Pelosi is still the minority leader she's been a failure as the House leader as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure it would make any difference if Dems gave her the boot. So you know, whatever.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby drsmooth » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:04:53

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I don't understand why Pelosi is still the minority leader she's been a failure as the House leader as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure it would make any difference if Dems gave her the boot. So you know, whatever.


Schultz, DNC Chair

Murray, Dems Senate Campaign Committee Chair

Pelosi, House minority leader


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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:04:55

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I don't understand why Pelosi is still the minority leader she's been a failure as the House leader as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure it would make any difference if Dems gave her the boot. So you know, whatever.

She had the most effective six month period in this generation of politicians.she's terrific at her job at laying out the values of her party and wrangling a coalition. She doesn't control states that change district lines.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:11:29

drsmooth wrote:
The Nightman Cometh wrote:I don't understand why Pelosi is still the minority leader she's been a failure as the House leader as far as I can tell, but I'm not sure it would make any difference if Dems gave her the boot. So you know, whatever.


Schultz, DNC Chair

Murray, Dems Senate Campaign Committee Chair

Pelosi, House minority leader


CONNECT THE GASHES

I think wasserman-schultz stinks and Murray is awesome

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:47:47

"Mr. President, don't think for one minute I don't hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack."

-Senator Lindsay Graham

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:54:09

Yeah, well, I hold Graham responsible for 1/50 of the national debt.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 00:16:47

Roger Dorn wrote:"Mr. President, don't think for one minute I don't hold you ultimately responsible for Benghazi. I think you failed as Commander in Chief before, during, and after the attack."

-Senator Lindsay Graham


The Obama administration has said Rice was relying on CIA assessments pointing to the video, one of which has leaked.

"She is so disconnected from reality that I don’t trust her,” the South Carolina Republican added.

But in 2005, Graham was fiercely protective of Rice as she faced confirmation to take over the State Department, chaffing at terms used by Democratic lawmakers to describe her testimony.

"The words like ‘misleading’ and ‘disingenuous,’ I think, were very unfair," Graham said on Fox News.

Asked if then-Sen. Mark Dayton's use of the word "liar" was justified, Graham pounced.

"Yes, that's even more unfair. Because it was all in terms of weapons of mass destruction and misleading us about the war and what was in Iraq. Well, every intelligence agency in the world was misled. And to connect those two to say that she's a liar is very unfair, over the line."


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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 15, 2012 00:18:25

not that he needs any of my aid, but I could help the POTUS with a response to this chickenshit from Governor Probe. It goes something like this:

citizen Smooth, volunteer POTUS ghostwriter wrote:Governor, your suggestions for effective implementation of ACA, and particularly its Medicaid provisions, are of course always welcome. That's why my Administration plans to offer to host a weeklong summit/workshop of our nation's governors and their key health policy strategists and executives beginning Monday, January 21, 2013 to fashion a set of effective model responses reflective of the needs and objectives of participating states.

I'm confident that, like the governors of our other states, you have been using the 33 months since the measure's passage to give considerable thought to the best means for you to implement this federal statute to the benefit of your state's citizenry. It was probably only the pressing business of shepherding your vaginal probe legislation through your statehouse that has kept you from coming forward with your concerns until November 13.

I'm equally confident that the energy and creativity of our collaborative effort will produce an assortment of effective and implementable solutions for all stakeholders, with plenty of time for 2014 implementation. This is America. We've sent men to the moon. We can surely do this.

Look at it another way, Bob - it's just health benefits. Underpaid HR drudges at thousands of our nation's private sector employers have been accomplishing this sort of thing over an October weekend or two every year for decades. It ain't gynecological surgery.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby td11 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 00:25:21

The White House announced on Wednesday that President Obama has nominated Judge William Thomas, an out gay man, to serve on the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Thomas would be the first out LGBT black man to serve as a lifetime-tenured federal judge.

In a statement, Obama noted the diversity of Thomas and six other nominees, saying, "They ... represent my continued commitment to ensure that the judiciary resembles the nation it serves."


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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 01:04:05

td11 wrote:Romney Blames Loss on Obama’s ‘Gifts’ to Minorities and Young Voters

A week after losing the election to President Obama, Mitt Romney blamed his overwhelming electoral loss on what he said were big “gifts” that the president had bestowed on loyal Democratic constituencies, including young voters, African-Americans and Hispanics.

In a conference call on Wednesday afternoon with his national finance committee, Mr. Romney said that the president had followed the “old playbook” of wooing specific interest groups — “especially the African-American community, the Hispanic community and young people,” Mr. Romney explained — with targeted gifts and initiatives.

“In each case they were very generous in what they gave to those groups,” Mr. Romney said.

“With regards to the young people, for instance, a forgiveness of college loan interest, was a big gift,” he said. “Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008.”.

...

“Our campaign, in contrast, was talking about big issues for the whole country — military strategy, foreign policy, a strong economy, creating jobs and so forth,” he said. “And by the way, as you’ll hear from Neil, our strategy worked well with many people, but for those who were given a specific gift, if you will, our strategy did not work terribly well.”


I'd say Mitt Romney should be embarrassed by this, but that misses the forest for the trees. Saying what he said here shows that the 47% thing was no fluke, and it wasn't pandering - he absolutely BELIEVES that old white people are somehow smarter, and better, than the young, minorities, and unmarried women. More, it's emblematic of what the whole Republican party now seems to believe - that if they didn't vote for us, it's THEIR fault, their moral weakness, not ours.

Unless this tune changes, and fast, I look forward to the third consecutive Democratic term in 2016. I just wonder if 12 years out of power will be enough, as it was for the Dems in 92.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 02:54:07

So now it was the blacks and kids that kept Mitt from being POTUS?

Man, Mitt sure does have a lot of trouble taking personal responsibility for himself.

And I'm glad he's just come right and said that he's a racist homophobe who believes he's a victim. It's nice to see him drop the pretense.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 15, 2012 08:45:30

wow, look at jindal tack to the left. They must have decided to let a brown guy run to save the party from itself.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) strongly condemned Mitt Romney Wednesday night for remarks the former Republican nominee made blaming President Obama’s re-election on “big gifts” for minorities and women.

“That is absolutely wrong,” Jindal told reporters in Las Vegas at the Republican Governors Association meeting. “Two points on that. One, we have got to stop dividing American voters. We need to go after 100 percent of the votes, not 53 percent — we need to go after every single vote. And second, we need to continue to show that our policies help every voter out there achieve the American dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children the opportunity to get a great education, which is for their children to have even better-paying jobs than their parents.”

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“If we’re going to continue to be a competitive party and win elections on the national stage and continue to fight for our conservative principles, we need two messages to get out loudly and clearly: One, we are fighting for 100 percent of the votes, and secondly, our policies benefit every American who wants to pursue the American dream, period,” he said. “No exceptions.”




Just want to point out that the reason Jindal says Mitt shouldn't make these comments is that it will be tougher to get votes. He's not saying Mitt's words are wrong or immoral, it's that his words may cost Republicans votes. So hear Jindal, Mitt. If you want to be a racist, keep it to yourself or it might cost your party votes! You don't have to change your messed up beliefs. Just don't let anyone know you have them.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:17:39

Israeli military put up video of an assassination (and and the murder of a photographer) of the Hamas defense minister. barbaric. this was in response to some crude stuff thrown. People were injured, but a great number of deaths have occurred due to the bombs in response. At least 3 children killed. Perhaps they shouldn't have had parents who were Palestinian...they had it coming. VICTORY!
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:18:36

One thing about the Jindal quote struck me as interesting--the American dream is to be in the middle class. I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I guess on a collective level, Americans would like a very large and stable middle class. But as individuals, I think lots of people want more than that. Or maybe it's just Lil' Vulture who wants a horse farm in the country, among other things usually associated with substantial wealth.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby kimbatiste » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:21:09

pacino wrote:Israeli military put up video of an assassination (and and the murder of a photographer) of the Hamas defense minister. barbaric. this was in response to some crude stuff thrown. People were injured, but a great number of deaths have occurred due to the bombs in response. At least 3 children killed. Perhaps they shouldn't have had parents who were Palestinian...they had it coming. VICTORY!


I find your constant one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict tiring. Israel, to be sure, has been guilty of overreaction at times. But I would very much like to see your restraint after living under constant fear of missiles, suicide bombers, and kidnapping.

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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:29:51

kimbatiste wrote:
pacino wrote:Israeli military put up video of an assassination (and and the murder of a photographer) of the Hamas defense minister. barbaric. this was in response to some crude stuff thrown. People were injured, but a great number of deaths have occurred due to the bombs in response. At least 3 children killed. Perhaps they shouldn't have had parents who were Palestinian...they had it coming. VICTORY!


I find your constant one-sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict tiring. Israel, to be sure, has been guilty of overreaction at times. But I would very much like to see your restraint after living under constant fear of missiles, suicide bombers, and kidnapping.

you find my lack of faith disturbing?

this a one-sided conflict. one side is backed by the biggest power known to man. one side has all the weapons. one side has the UN Security Council veto on its side. one side just said there would be consequences for other trying to appeal to the General Assembly for limited statehood.

some palestinians not recognizing israel's real existence is different than israel actively preventing the actual existence of palestine. some of the poorest people in the world don't like the people who surround them and prevent any chance at improving their lives? color me shocked

i have friends who live or have lived in israel. israelis are great. the israeli government and military suck.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby drsmooth » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:29:59

TenuredVulture wrote:One thing about the Jindal quote struck me as interesting--the American dream is to be in the middle class. I'm not sure that's entirely correct. I guess on a collective level, Americans would like a very large and stable middle class. But as individuals, I think lots of people want more than that. Or maybe it's just Lil' Vulture who wants a horse farm in the country, among other things usually associated with substantial wealth.


When you're ("you" meaning Jindal) scrambling to tamp down your cranky drunk impotent uncle's haranguing, you can get important details wrong.

Surprised there's no conspiracy theory to the effect that the stupid remarks are just Mitt's way of intentionally pooping in the Republican party pool in retribution for its tepid support for his candidacy

I mean another perfectly reasonable explanation is that his whining stupidity is of a piece with his utter lack of political talents, but people more expert than me continue to assure me that the guy has natural political gifts. I have not EVER seen evidence of ANY such talents, but I'm just a voter so what do I know.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby Soren » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:32:50

It's a miserable/nuanced situation, but the conservative party's stranglehold on the Israeli government doesn't help. Neither does the vilifying of Jews done so casually. I talk about this a lot with one of my 5 friends IRL, it's tough for her being a staunch liberal and then seeing the way liberals casually attack Israel without assigning any blame on terrorist acts committed by Palestinians.
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Re: The Fiscal Cliff: Politics, Not Lee

Postby pacino » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:38:52

Soren wrote:It's a miserable/nuanced situation, but the conservative party's stranglehold on the Israeli government doesn't help. Neither does the vilifying of Jews done so casually. I talk about this a lot with one of my 5 friends IRL, it's tough for her being a staunch liberal and then seeing the way liberals casually attack Israel without assigning any blame on terrorist acts committed by Palestinians.

it's not about assigning blame just on israelis. the acts by palestinians are also horrific. but the power structure makes it so that they can't actually do anything or improve the situation. the power is in the hands of hte US/Israel/UN. It's just here in the US there seems to be NO nuance with how we constantly back Israel and paint all Palestinians as the 'enemy' when most are just poor and uneducated and confined to areas. so my opinion may be 'tiresome', but i think it's a necessary one when so much of the prevailing opinion is that nothing Israel does is ever wrong.
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