11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby SK790 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:01:07

phdave wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:EXIT POLLS: RACE TIGHT
R: NC, FL
O: OH, NH, PA, MI, NV
TOSS UP: VA, CO, IA

/drudge


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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby philliesphhan » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:04:15

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby phdave » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:04:49

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby phdave » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:09:29

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:12:21

Took me 3 minutes to vote in CC. That was nice

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:12:53

Trent Steele wrote:EXIT POLLS: RACE TIGHT
R: NC, FL
O: OH, NH, PA, MI, NV
TOSS UP: VA, CO, IA

/drudge


Is anyone releasing this exit poll data before the polls close, while it's still freaking relevant?

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby phdave » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:16:56

Hume: Polls fundamentally flawed

On FNC’s “Special Report” Monday night, Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume said that many mainstream polls — which appear to indicate President Barack Obama will win a second term — may be fundamentally flawed.

“My sense about this is fairly simple,” Hume said. “We’re looking at a national race, which is, for all intents and purposes, tied. We are looking at a set of state polls in the battleground states that suggests President Obama is leading — he is leading in most of these polls. And most reporters would look at that and say, ‘Well, if that’s the case, it looks like President Obama is going to win.’ And that is what a lot of people think. That is kind of the conventional wisdom.”

“However, a number of those polls have a remarkably large number of Democrats in the sample — more Democrats, in some cases, than turned out by percentage on Election Day four years ago, which was a big year for the Democrats,” Hume continued. “They don’t expect to have as big a year. So, those polls are troubling. Now, it would be unprecedented for this many polls reflecting a similar outcome to be wrong, which is why I think people are reluctant to draw that conclusion. But there’s something wrong here.”
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby kimbatiste » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:23:33

O getting killed in Indiana and Kentucky. It's over folks.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:44:37

T minus 15 mins

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:45:57

Werthless wrote:
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Werthless wrote:Corporate tax rates and their effect on foreign investment repatriation of cash?

The effective corporate tax rate is around 12%, among the lowest of all developed nations. For at least the past 10-15 years, it has fluctuated between 12-14%. The repatriation tax holiday in 2004 had no effect on domestic job creation or domestic investment. The reason being basic business... if there isn't an increase in demand for a company's product or service, they just "bank" extra revenues/tax savings (cash reserves). Spending it otherwise would have a negative fiscal impact on the company and thus be bad business practice. If there is an increase in foreign demand but not domestic, they invest there and not here. Basically, companies will not create jobs they don't need to create nor will they invest when/where they don't need to invest.

The businesses holding money overseas do not have the 12% effective rate. These are the companies that are facing 35% marginal rates to bring cash back into the country. I like how the argument is "it won't necessarly create many jobs, thus we shouldnt change the silly status quo." Why should we have a tax code with a 12% effective rate, yet 35% marginal rates for those companies without effective lobbyists? Put that unfairness aside. So what would happen if half a trillion gets repatriated. Worst case, it gets paid out to the owners of the companies, who then spend the money on something else. It's not the most effective stimulus, but it's easy stimulus that is an artifact of our screwy tax code. I wouldnt be in favor of a repatriation holiday; I'd prefer a general lowering of the rate, alleviating the incentive for US companies to hold cash overseas waiting for the next repatriation holiday.

Actually, I wasn't making a point one way or the other regarding the "game". The point I wanted to make is that "job creators" retoric is bullshit. Whether foreign revenues are kept overseas or brought back here, it's just where the numbers reside, where they are reported/attributed. Bringing back the monies here has no effect on domestic job creation or domestic investment. The repat holiday in 2004 proved that. A survey of multinational corps a year or two ago proved that (they admitted it has no bearing on how or where they spend). My last sentence was the jist... Companies won't create jobs they don't need to create, they won't invest when or where they don't need to invest. The so-called "job creators" are being disingenuous when they spew stuff like bringing back the money would lead to investing and creating jobs here. They won't spend money they don't need to, it just goes into capital reserves.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:48:46

Why would a Romney guy leak very negative internal polls in OH? Frankly, I think CNN might be getting punk'd.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:51:07

TenuredVulture wrote:Frankly, I think CNN might be getting punk'd.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:53:02

As a fairly liberal person, MSNBC's coverage is every bit as offensive to me as Fox.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:53:19

TenuredVulture wrote:Why would a Romney guy leak very negative internal polls in OH? Frankly, I think CNN might be getting punk'd.

Especially ones that aren't real

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby BigEd76 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:54:57

Just voted

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:56:38

Trent Steele wrote:As a fairly liberal person, MSNBC's coverage is every bit as offensive to me as Fox.

I watch current

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:58:09

Trent Steele wrote:EXIT POLLS: RACE TIGHT
R: NC, FL
O: OH, NH, PA, MI, NV
TOSS UP: VA, CO, IA

/drudge


Worth noting that there is something missing from this list and if Romney swept the TOSS UP states, we'd have no President. Wisconsin, a lonely nation turns its eyes to you.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby td11 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 19:59:51

MSNBC being as bad as Fox is the falsest of false equivalencies, but i'm not getting into that tonight
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Nov 06, 2012 20:00:31

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 06, 2012 20:01:10

td11 wrote:MSNBC being as bad as Fox is the falsest of false equivalencies, but i'm not getting into that tonight

Yeah

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