11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 14:40:40

Trent Steele wrote:
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Trent Steele wrote:did we win?



yep, 7-2



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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Nov 05, 2012 15:19:18

jamiethekiller wrote:
The Nightman Cometh wrote:Nate is awfully confident about Obama's chances.


this is the same fucking complain people have of head coaches. "HE'S AN ARROGANT SHITHEAD, HE DOESN'T THINK HE'S EVER WRONG!" don't think i'd want a person in that situation to really doubt himself everyday.

get a fucking grip dude

Uh I don't know what you are talking about. I never said nor implied he's arrogant, but he clearly has a high level of confidence in his model. Instead of hedging his bets a little bit (which most of us would probably do) he's doubling down and butting heads with pundits. It's actually pretty impressive.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby td11 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 15:23:32

i was looking for this the other day when we were talking about the republicans' obstructionism since the pres took office. the mcconnell "one term president" quote from 2010 isn't even 1% of the whole story


It reveals some of my reporting on the Republican plot to obstruct President Obama before he even took office, including secret meetings led by House GOP whip Eric Cantor (in December 2008) and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (in early January 2009) in which they laid out their daring (though cynical and political) no-honeymoon strategy of all-out resistance to a popular President-elect during an economic emergency. “If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.” The excerpt includes a special bonus nugget of Mitt Romney dissing the Tea Party.

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/08/23/th ... z2BNU65AzD
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Nov 05, 2012 15:28:06

Spent the mining and early afternoon putting hangers on Dem's doors in parkesburg. Lots of walking. Did my part. Now nap time.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 15:30:57

CalvinBall wrote:Spent the mining and early afternoon putting hangers on Dem's doors in parkesburg. Lots of walking. Did my part. Now nap time.


Why, you back-alley abortionist... for shame.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:10:42

The Nightman Cometh wrote:
jamiethekiller wrote:
The Nightman Cometh wrote:Nate is awfully confident about Obama's chances.


this is the same #$!&@ complain people have of head coaches. "HE'S AN ARROGANT #$!&@, HE DOESN'T THINK HE'S EVER WRONG!" don't think i'd want a person in that situation to really doubt himself everyday.

get a #$!&@ grip dude

Uh I don't know what you are talking about. I never said nor implied he's arrogant, but he clearly has a high level of confidence in his model. Instead of hedging his bets a little bit (which most of us would probably do) he's doubling down and butting heads with pundits. It's actually pretty impressive.

His model doesn't say that Romney can't win. It says that it's very unlikely but still entirely possible. As someone pointed out on the previous thread, percentage-based predictions are basically cop-outs for the predictor, because there's no way to disprove them (unless they're throwing out a near-100% prediction).

In fact, his post the other day discussed the implication that a Romney win would mean--that the state polls were systematically biased. So outside of defending himself from cheapshots, I don't see where anything he's said or done suggests that he's doubling down. It's no surprise that his percentages are creeping up, as the "nowcast" has always been higher than the 11/6 forecast. If anything, I thought the post about state polls was an example of him hedging his bets.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Grotewold » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:14:12

Father in law just sent a 15-bullet e-mail urging me and his four ultra-liberal kids to vote Romney. This could be a barn burner

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:17:10

Grotewold wrote:Father in law just sent a 15-bullet e-mail urging me and his four ultra-liberal kids to vote Romney. This could be a barn burner

Send this article back to him. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-election-campaign-insults-voters/2012/11/02/69fcc1fc-2428-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Grotewold » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:20:53

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Father in law just sent a 15-bullet e-mail urging me and his four ultra-liberal kids to vote Romney. This could be a barn burner

Send this article back to him. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romneys-election-campaign-insults-voters/2012/11/02/69fcc1fc-2428-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html


Do you have one implicating Romney in Oregon passing Notre Dame?

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby phdave » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:54:58

Noonan

We begin with the three words everyone writing about the election must say: Nobody knows anything. Everyone’s guessing. I spent Sunday morning in Washington with journalists and political hands, one of whom said she feels it’s Obama, the rest of whom said they don’t know. I think it’s Romney. I think he’s stealing in “like a thief with good tools,” in Walker Percy’s old words. While everyone is looking at the polls and the storm, Romney’s slipping into the presidency. He’s quietly rising, and he’s been rising for a while.
...
But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.

I think they are and I think it’s this: a Romney win.
...
There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.
...
But sitting there listening to the jokes and speeches, the archbishop of New York sitting between them, Obama looked like a young challenger—flinty, not so comfortable. He was distracted, and his smiles seemed forced. He looked like a man who’d just seen some bad internal polling. Romney? Expansive, hilarious, self-spoofing, with a few jokes of finely calibrated meanness that were just perfect for the crowd. He looked like a president. He looked like someone who’d just seen good internals.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Bucky » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:57:12

I WATCH THE LAWNS

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Grotewold » Mon Nov 05, 2012 16:57:40

Bucky wrote:I WATCH THE LAWNS


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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:17:24

Someone in the Romney campaign or at the RNC leaked all their internals to Toby Harnden at the Daily Mail. Weird, on a couple of levels. Why today? Why to someone who writes for an English paper?

Mitt Romney is ahead by a single percentage point in Ohio, according to internal polling data provided to MailOnline by a Republican party source.

Internal campaign polling completed last night by campaign pollster Neil Newhouse has Romney three points up in New Hampshire, two points up in Iowa and dead level in Wisconsin and - most startlingly - Pennsylvania.

Internal poll show Romney trailing in Nevada, reflected in a consensus among senior advisers that Obama will probably win the state. Early voting in Nevada has shown very heavy turnout in the Democratic stronghold of Clark County and union organisation in the state is strong.

Who knows

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby SK790 » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:19:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:Why do you want people to bust his balls if he's wrong? I know you want Romney to win and all so you want him to be wrong, but your post just seems a little...uh...vindictive towards him. I'm sure if his model's wrong he'll feel bad enough and probably try to make some changes to it.

Also, this is like the 20th post you've mentioned on betting on Romney so just fucking do it already.

It's like Joe Sheehan talking about the Phillies if every single person you interacted with for months on end dismissed the Phillies chances of winning by saying "Well they're not going to win, Joe Sheehan has the Rays as 85% favorites." I want him to be thoroughly wrong and embarrassed.

And I don't live in Las Vegas

It's not like that at all. You said you'd be mad if Obama wins, but by a smaller margin and Nate didn't get shit about it. It'd be like if Sheehan was picking us to finish fourth and being pissed at him because he was wrong if the Phillies finished 2nd or 3rd and still didn't make the playoffs. Seems awful petty.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:27:28

phdave wrote:Noonan

We begin with the three words everyone writing about the election must say: Nobody knows anything. Everyone’s guessing. I spent Sunday morning in Washington with journalists and political hands, one of whom said she feels it’s Obama, the rest of whom said they don’t know. I think it’s Romney. I think he’s stealing in “like a thief with good tools,” in Walker Percy’s old words. While everyone is looking at the polls and the storm, Romney’s slipping into the presidency. He’s quietly rising, and he’s been rising for a while.
...
But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.

I think they are and I think it’s this: a Romney win.
...
There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.
...
But sitting there listening to the jokes and speeches, the archbishop of New York sitting between them, Obama looked like a young challenger—flinty, not so comfortable. He was distracted, and his smiles seemed forced. He looked like a man who’d just seen some bad internal polling. Romney? Expansive, hilarious, self-spoofing, with a few jokes of finely calibrated meanness that were just perfect for the crowd. He looked like a president. He looked like someone who’d just seen good internals.


I think the technical term for this kind of writing is "Large Load of Manure." If Noonan were capable of shame, she would be embarrassed by this.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:30:42

If Peggy Noonan was a sportswriter, she'd be Skip Bayless.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:31:16

Never mind. I should actually read this thread before making comment some time.
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:41:29

Isn't Daily Mail sort of like Britain's National Enquirer?
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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:46:27

TenuredVulture wrote:Isn't Daily Mail sort of like Britain's National Enquirer?

The guy has carved out a weird niche. He's a legitimately good reporter, working for a tabloid. I think I read he's moving to The Times of London in 2013.

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Re: 11.6.2012 GDT President Obama v. Mitt Romney

Postby Bucky » Mon Nov 05, 2012 17:47:05

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Isn't Daily Mail sort of like Britain's National Enquirer?

The guy has carved out a weird niche. He's a legitimately good reporter, working for a tabloid. I think I read he's moving to The Times of London in 2013.


it's a steady job, but he wants to be a paperback writer. I hear.

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