Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Oct 18, 2012 22:37:15

drsmooth wrote:Turns out supremely self-congratulatory arch-reactionary uber-apologist Dinesh D'Souza has been up to some unChristian hanky-panky.

must have been his brush with the sleazy business of making movies

here's laughing at you, you tiny-dicked hypocrite

yeah, who knew fucking a lady who wasnt your wife would be something super christians wouldnt like???


what a fraud
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 22:42:25

Am watching the Connecticut senate debate, as NFL Network seems to have migrated within or disappeared from my cable package and I've reached the Joe Buck saturation point.

To any Nutmeggers here, I am really, really sorry. Both of these people are *horrible*. They're actually making Lieberman look okay by comparison.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Oct 18, 2012 22:46:05

dajafi wrote:Am watching the Connecticut senate debate, as NFL Network seems to have migrated within or disappeared from my cable package and I've reached the Joe Buck saturation point.

To any Nutmeggers here, I am really, really sorry. Both of these people are *horrible*. They're actually making Lieberman look okay by comparison.

please, don't say it. lieberman?!
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:09:05

Lieberman is an appalling human being. But I wouldn't say he's dumb. Murphy and McMahon just seemed like total fucking dimwits.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:15:57

dajafi wrote:Lieberman is an appalling human being. But I wouldn't say he's dumb. Murphy and McMahon just seemed like total fucking dimwits.


I dunno, this feels like one of those "great trade, who'd we get" kinda deals, so long as rasslin' lady loses, as polls suggest she might. Getting shut of Leiberman & shutting down the Grappling Grannie are plusses, and the cipher will probably not do too much harm for at least the 1st 6 yrs.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:19:38

feel like if i was in CT and vote for mcmahon that i may as well bash my head against a wall
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:32:38

jerseyhoya wrote:Newspaper endorsements generally don't mean much, but I kinda liked this one from the Orlando Sentinel. Hits the high points on why disgruntled 2008 Obama voters should switch.



Orlando Sentinel editors wrote:We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race...Romney is not our ideal candidate for president....If he doesn't produce results — even with a hostile Senate — we'll be ready in 2016 to get behind someone else who will....


That's a ringing endorsement all right

Can you clarify how that editorial hits any high points for either candidate? It's like the OS editors would recommend to someone that if they have a choice of voting for the guy who exterminated the leader of Al Qaeda or a guy who ran a winter Olympics with the help of plenty of federal dough that they should obviously vote for the ice-dancer's hero. They'll never even have a winter Olympics in Florida ffs.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:34:25

drsmooth wrote:
dajafi wrote:Lieberman is an appalling human being. But I wouldn't say he's dumb. Murphy and McMahon just seemed like total #$!&@ dimwits.


I dunno, this feels like one of those "great trade, who'd we get" kinda deals, so long as rasslin' lady loses, as polls suggest she might. Getting shut of Leiberman & shutting down the Grappling Grannie are plusses, and the cipher will probably not do too much harm for at least the 1st 6 yrs.


Sadly, our parliamentary political culture is such that I'd have trouble voting for any Republican in a federal election right now, other than as a protest against my possibly retarded congresswoman (who will have that seat till ten years after she's dead), if she even has an opponent.

So, yeah. But it also rankles that in a solid blue state and against a detestable opponent like WrestleMama, they couldn't find anyone better than Murphy.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:40:06

Not the most airtight sourcing, but...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... troke.html

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:41:56

Obama is taking everyone out.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 18, 2012 23:45:31

drsmooth wrote:Can you clarify how that editorial hits any high points for either candidate?

Economic growth, three years into the recovery, is anemic. Family incomes are down, poverty is up. Obama's Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, highlighted these and other hard truths in this week's second debate. Even the September jobless numbers deserve an asterisk, because more than 4 million Americans have given up looking for work since January 2009. And while the nation's economy is still sputtering nearly four years after Obama took office, the federal government is more than $5 trillion deeper in debt. It just racked up its fourth straight 13-figure shortfall.

We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race. Obama's defenders would argue that he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, and would have made more progress if not for obstruction from Republicans in Congress. But Democrats held strong majorities in the House and Senate during his first two years. Other presidents have succeeded even with the other party controlling Capitol Hill. Democrat Bill Clinton presided over an economic boom and balanced the budget working with Republicans. Leaders find a way.

With Obama in charge, the federal government came perilously close to a default last year. Now it's lurching toward another crisis with the impending arrival of massive tax hikes and spending cuts on Jan. 1. The next president is likely to be dealing with a Congress where at least one, if not both, chambers are controlled by Republicans. It verges on magical thinking to expect Obama to get different results in the next four years. Two years ago, a bipartisan panel the president appointed recommended a 10-year, $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan. Rather than embrace it and sell it to the American people, Obama took his own, less ambitious plan to Congress, where it was largely ignored by both parties.

Now the president and his supporters are attacking Romney because his long-term budget blueprint calls for money-saving reforms to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, three of the biggest drivers of deficit spending. Obama would be more credible in critiquing the proposal if he had a serious alternative for bringing entitlement spending under control. He doesn't.

That's the swing voter case against Obama, in a nut shell. Well and succinctly stated. In my always very humble opinion.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Oct 19, 2012 00:04:31

Silver has Obama back above 70 percent.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Fri Oct 19, 2012 00:10:07

CalvinBall wrote:Silver has Obama back above 70 percent.


Almost forgot. We're doing it.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby threecount » Fri Oct 19, 2012 00:19:13

Political Wire tonight still shows Obama ahead in eight of the ten swing states..I still think it will be an uphill climb for Romney as Obama may be successful in "running out the clock". If Obama stays up and wins in Ohio and Wisconsin and just throw in a Nevada or Colorado, it's pretty much over for Romney even if he wins Florida, Nort Carolina and Virginia..

Also, off the subject a little, but I think the political landscape looks very, very poor for Republicans in the future..I still think there will come a day, maybe 8 or 12 years from now where a state like Texas will go Democratic due to the rising hispanic demographic, and that will be a HUGE obstacle for the Republicans to overcome..
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 19, 2012 00:20:16

Nate's a lot smarter than I am, but if the election was held today I think Romney would win the popular vote and would probably win the Electoral College as well. I think Mitt would win at least 257 EVs (NC, FL, VA, CO), and then would only need Ohio or Wisconsin and Iowa or New Hampshire. I've heard whispers from people I used to work with that Romney is at least tied in both Ohio and Wisconsin. There's a serious lack of legitimate polling going on at the state level, and the whole Obama EC lock theory is built on a foundation of sand. The Gallup 7% lead is a mirage, but I think most of the GOP professional class feels pretty damn good about where this race is right now. The idea that Obama is better than 2-1 to win is completely fucking insane.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Oct 19, 2012 01:08:54

jerseyhoya wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Can you clarify how that editorial hits any high points for either candidate?

Economic growth, three years into the recovery, is anemic. Family incomes are down, poverty is up. Obama's Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, highlighted these and other hard truths in this week's second debate. Even the September jobless numbers deserve an asterisk, because more than 4 million Americans have given up looking for work since January 2009. And while the nation's economy is still sputtering nearly four years after Obama took office, the federal government is more than $5 trillion deeper in debt. It just racked up its fourth straight 13-figure shortfall.

We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race. Obama's defenders would argue that he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, and would have made more progress if not for obstruction from Republicans in Congress. But Democrats held strong majorities in the House and Senate during his first two years. Other presidents have succeeded even with the other party controlling Capitol Hill. Democrat Bill Clinton presided over an economic boom and balanced the budget working with Republicans. Leaders find a way.

With Obama in charge, the federal government came perilously close to a default last year. Now it's lurching toward another crisis with the impending arrival of massive tax hikes and spending cuts on Jan. 1. The next president is likely to be dealing with a Congress where at least one, if not both, chambers are controlled by Republicans. It verges on magical thinking to expect Obama to get different results in the next four years. Two years ago, a bipartisan panel the president appointed recommended a 10-year, $4 trillion deficit-reduction plan. Rather than embrace it and sell it to the American people, Obama took his own, less ambitious plan to Congress, where it was largely ignored by both parties.

Now the president and his supporters are attacking Romney because his long-term budget blueprint calls for money-saving reforms to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, three of the biggest drivers of deficit spending. Obama would be more credible in critiquing the proposal if he had a serious alternative for bringing entitlement spending under control. He doesn't.

That's the swing voter case against Obama, in a nut shell. Well and succinctly stated. In my always very humble opinion.


So basically you're saying the case against Obama - "hey, he hasn't overcome the worst recession in 4 generations all by himself" - is the entire reason to vote for the numbnuts nabob? Do you merely believe this is enough to sucker sun-stroked Florida undecided voters, or do you actually mean to say you believe this yourself?
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 19, 2012 01:13:30

I only post things I believe. Most of you are lost causes. I don't waste time spinning shit I don't care about. I really think that's a neat bow on the case against Obama.

You aren't convinced by it because there's nothing that'd convince you. Congrats to you.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Oct 19, 2012 01:16:16

jerseyhoya wrote:I only post things I believe. Most of you are lost causes. I don't waste time spinning shit I don't care about. I really think that's a neat bow on the case against Obama.

You aren't convinced by it because there's nothing that'd convince you. Congrats to you.


Against, against, against. Look, maybe you're drunk or something, so you don't understand what I'm getting at. I'm asking whether you actually believe in a guy like Mitt Romney. Whether you can actually, enthusiastically, cast a vote for him.
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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Oct 19, 2012 01:34:43

I really kinda like him a lot actually. I wish he wasn't banging the drums so hard on the China currency thing. Also I hope he has a come to Jesus moment where he realizes Tom Coburn has a lot of good ideas about how to cut costs within the Defense Department without affecting our ability to project force if necessary. But he's smart and capable and reasonable and hopefully will be our next president so he can exert the leadership we need to get the federal government on track for the next decade and beyond. I'm about as excited to vote for him as I was to vote for Christie in 2009, and I hope to be as pleasantly surprised with how he governs.

I just thought the editorial made the case against Obama's reelection in fewer words than I would have been able to, and as Obama backers in 2008 (and Kerry in 2004), they were voicing sentiments that I think are common to a lot of swing voters this time around. So I wanted to share them. The editorial was not written by or for base GOP voters, because they don't agree with Romney politically on a bunch of basic issues.

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Re: Binders Full of Woman: Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Fri Oct 19, 2012 02:25:29

CalvinBall wrote:Silver has Obama back above 70 percent.


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