Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Wed Sep 19, 2012 21:25:01

...and the "47% fiasco" damage control could be believable (just acknowledging that these were voters he'd never reach) if he didn't say "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." That is not writing off their vote- it's writing off their existence. I think this is Romney's swiftwater.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 21:45:52

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 22:25:36

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How the hell did Gore lose?

Oh right. He didn't.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Sep 19, 2012 23:13:25

holy fuck stewart just owned romney and the talking heads who have his back. he got into his serious mode which he doesnt really do that often. so good.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Eddie Jordan » Wed Sep 19, 2012 23:26:09

CalvinBall wrote:holy fuck stewart just owned romney and the talking heads who have his back. he got into his serious mode which he doesnt really do that often. so good.


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 00:24:14

Josh Barro ‏@jbarro
So those fundraising totals Romney announced this summer were basically meaningless? Had anyone reported this before?

http://t.co/OkPuiAuG

Despite what appears to be a plump bank account and an in-house production studio that cranks out multiple commercials a day, Mr. Romney’s campaign has been tightfisted with its advertising budget, leaving him at a disadvantage in several crucial states as President Obama blankets them with ads.

One major reason appears to be that Mr. Romney’s campaign finances have been significantly less robust than recent headlines would suggest. Much of the more than $300 million the campaign reported raising this summer is earmarked for the Republican National Committee, state Republican organizations and Congressional races, limiting the money Mr. Romney’s own campaign has to spend.

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Mr. Romney’s absence from the air made sense before the party’s convention in late August, since the campaign’s cash flow became so slow over the summer that it was forced to borrow $20 million to carry it through the event, when his formal nomination freed up tens of millions of dollars for the general election.

Yet at the same time Romney aides worked hard to project the image of a fund-raising machine far outpacing the president’s.

Romney aides released informal dollar figures that lumped several pools of money — some available for his use, others not — into a single figure, providing a perception greater than reality: $106 million in June and $101 million in July, far more than Mr. Obama and the Democrats.

Yet those figures obscured the fact that most of the money Mr. Romney was raising was reserved for those other political entities like the Republican National Committee.

And the party committee, which Mr. Romney helped propel to record-breaking receipts in July, is allowed to spend only about $22 million on advertising that is coordinated with Mr. Romney.

Even now, a large though unknown portion of Mr. Romney’s fund-raising is not going directly into his campaign account.

A closer look at Mr. Romney’s own filings revealed that Mr. Obama, while trailing in overall party fund-raising, was pulling far more money than Mr. Romney into his campaign account, the most useful and flexible dollars a candidate has to spend, in part because of strong collection from small donors who could give again and again without hitting federal limits.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 20, 2012 00:40:47

From Silver's latest article: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... andidates/

But if the trend continues, the question may no longer be whether Republicans can win the Senate — but how vulnerable they are to losing the House.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 00:49:05

i saw this comment on another board, in response to republicans having a demographic issue in the future,

But the analysis that says Republicans have maxed out their white support and can't possibly go on without some major schism is a little pat, no?

Here's my reaction when I encounter talk about dire straits for the Republican Party (talk that seems to be everywhere in the last month): liberals sometimes don't realize how fundamentally conservative the U.S. is. We don't have the leftist tradition they have in the U.K. or Canada. We spent the Cold War getting rid of all that. The U.S. is a machine that turns young liberals into old Republicans, and any concern for the future of the GOP is absurd.


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Sep 20, 2012 00:55:55

CalvinBall wrote:From Silver's latest article: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... andidates/

But if the trend continues, the question may no longer be whether Republicans can win the Senate — but how vulnerable they are to losing the House.

Patience

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 20, 2012 00:57:33

I am fine waiting until election day to see the Republican party officially lose the majority in the House if that is what you are getting at.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 20, 2012 01:40:36

that's humor

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby VoxOrion » Thu Sep 20, 2012 07:03:46

This is a friendly reminder to stay civil and remember that this is just the internet and most of you like each other when you aren't posting in this thread (except when posting in this thread has made you dislike one another which is a good argument against having it in the first place /brokenrecord).
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Sep 20, 2012 07:55:52

VoxOrion wrote:This is a friendly reminder to stay civil and remember that this is just the internet and most of you like each other when you aren't posting in this thread (except when posting in this thread has made you dislike one another which is a good argument against having it in the first place /brokenrecord).


fucking echo chamber in here

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 08:31:45

go phils
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Sep 20, 2012 09:37:43

td11 wrote:i saw this comment on another board, in response to republicans having a demographic issue in the future,

But the analysis that says Republicans have maxed out their white support and can't possibly go on without some major schism is a little pat, no?

Here's my reaction when I encounter talk about dire straits for the Republican Party (talk that seems to be everywhere in the last month): liberals sometimes don't realize how fundamentally conservative the U.S. is. We don't have the leftist tradition they have in the U.K. or Canada. We spent the Cold War getting rid of all that. The U.S. is a machine that turns young liberals into old Republicans, and any concern for the future of the GOP is absurd.


damn


You have to be careful to avoid confusing generational effects from life cycle effects. Young liberals probably don't turn into old Republicans as much as you might think. In general, people tend to hold onto the political orientations the develop in early adulthood. To be sure, as the parties shift, some voters may abandon their partisan allegiance. But you're not going to see a guy who wore Save the Planet t-shirt in the 80s sporting a Drill Baby Drill bumper sticker today.

More to the point--old Gen Xers and young baby boomers have always been conservative--in the 80s, we were the Reagan youth to the extent we cared about politics at all. Republican organizing was common on college campuses, and the Republican party reaped the benefits of that for a couple of decades.

But now, the Republican party presence on college campuses seems all but gone. I recently spoke with one of the leaders of the county Young Republicans, and they had no plans at all to do any out reach on campus. I was pretty shocked. And considering that recent efforts at requiring voter id to vote is probably targeted as much at preventing college students from voting as anyone else, (not to mention working hard to eliminate or severely restrict federal financial aid) it strikes me that in yet another very short sighted strategy, the Republicans seem committed to writing off another segment of the electorate.

In short, when it comes to outreach among voters in their late teens and twenties, Dems are running circles around Reps.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 20, 2012 09:55:10

judging by his public schedules, mitt's given up.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:00:44

thanks paul, i feel better
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:12:42

td11 wrote:thanks paul, i feel better


did you think you were going to turn republican or something?

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:17:13

yes jamie
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jamiethekiller » Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:20:23

me too

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