Blumenthal, Paul and other idiots...POLITICS Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Aug 13, 2010 17:12:31

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Postby CalvinBall » Fri Aug 13, 2010 17:31:39

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Aug 13, 2010 18:35:26

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Postby pacino » Sat Aug 14, 2010 09:18:34

yay
Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure
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Postby lethal » Sat Aug 14, 2010 09:37:19

pacino wrote:yay
Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country. That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are. The writ of our Founders must endure


You knew he was a secret Muslim.

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Postby CalvinBall » Sat Aug 14, 2010 09:48:39

good for him. cant wait to see my republican facebook friends act like lunatics over this though.

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Postby Harpua » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:36:44

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Postby Barry Jive » Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:07:38

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Postby dajafi » Sat Aug 14, 2010 14:21:38

Right-wing bloggers name the 25 worst Americans in history

This is actually worthwhile for the first few comments... in which liberals point out that the people on the list were mostly ineffectual irritants with high media profiles, and suggest that other, non-named liberals did much greater damage to what today's (intellectually debased pseudo-) conservatives believe and care about.

If you don't feel like actually clicking on the link, the top two are Carter and Obama... the guy who started the military buildup that helped end the Cold War and was reviled by liberals of his own party; and the guy who supported the Wall Street bailout, escalated in Afghanistan, and pretty much totally confirmed and validated the Bush/Cheney national security state.

edit: here's the list of one of those polled. Other than Ted Kennedy--whom, other than Chappaquiddick, I think could be described the same way he does Harry Reid ("unpleasant and effective") I at least see what he's getting at here.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Aug 14, 2010 15:40:47

How is Nixon left off any list like that--and don't tell me it's a conservative list, since many conservative I know consider Nixon a liberal.

And the worst American in history is Aaron Burr.

And I'd make a comment about FDR on the list, but then we'd be invoking the Godwin law.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Aug 14, 2010 15:43:45

Speaking to reporters today, President Obama drew a sharp line under his comments last night, insisting that his defense of the right to build a mosque does not mean he supports the project.

"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding," he said.

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Postby dajafi » Sat Aug 14, 2010 16:01:29

jerseyhoya wrote:
Speaking to reporters today, President Obama drew a sharp line under his comments last night, insisting that his defense of the right to build a mosque does not mean he supports the project.

"I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding," he said.


This seems exactly right to me--a lot of things are legally allowable whether or not they're "wise." But I'm sure it will be read as Clintonian equivocation.

While I'm fine with the idea of a Muslim community center as close to Ground Zero as Century 21 (a discount clothing store where I go about once a year to buy shirts and such), and I agree with Obama and Bloomberg that the principle of the thing is pretty clear, I think it's so much less important than about eighty other things going on in the country right now that I wish all concerned would just STFU about it.

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Postby pacino » Sat Aug 14, 2010 16:35:37

dajafi wrote:Right-wing bloggers name the 25 worst Americans in history

This is actually worthwhile for the first few comments... in which liberals point out that the people on the list were mostly ineffectual irritants with high media profiles, and suggest that other, non-named liberals did much greater damage to what today's (intellectually debased pseudo-) conservatives believe and care about.

If you don't feel like actually clicking on the link, the top two are Carter and Obama... the guy who started the military buildup that helped end the Cold War and was reviled by liberals of his own party; and the guy who supported the Wall Street bailout, escalated in Afghanistan, and pretty much totally confirmed and validated the Bush/Cheney national security state.

edit: here's the list of one of those polled. Other than Ted Kennedy--whom, other than Chappaquiddick, I think could be described the same way he does Harry Reid ("unpleasant and effective") I at least see what he's getting at here.

How is Saul Alinsky one of the worst figures of all-time? I really don't understand that one? I can see why right-wing bloggers would hate most of the others, though I of course would disagree with them.
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Postby dajafi » Sat Aug 14, 2010 16:37:00

pacino wrote:
dajafi wrote:Right-wing bloggers name the 25 worst Americans in history

This is actually worthwhile for the first few comments... in which liberals point out that the people on the list were mostly ineffectual irritants with high media profiles, and suggest that other, non-named liberals did much greater damage to what today's (intellectually debased pseudo-) conservatives believe and care about.

If you don't feel like actually clicking on the link, the top two are Carter and Obama... the guy who started the military buildup that helped end the Cold War and was reviled by liberals of his own party; and the guy who supported the Wall Street bailout, escalated in Afghanistan, and pretty much totally confirmed and validated the Bush/Cheney national security state.

edit: here's the list of one of those polled. Other than Ted Kennedy--whom, other than Chappaquiddick, I think could be described the same way he does Harry Reid ("unpleasant and effective") I at least see what he's getting at here.

How is Saul Alinsky one of the worst figures of all-time? I really don't understand that one? I can see why right-wing bloggers would hate most of the others, though I of course would disagree with them.


Glenn Beck seems to think he's worse than Pol Pot

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Aug 16, 2010 00:52:51

So one of my buddies is running an open seat race that is thought to be a toss up. The Fix has it in his top 30 to flip, but it's thought of as a good barometer/50-50 kind of race. Got a poll back recently that has his candidate up by a teens margin w/ a tea party independent in the race pulling 5%. Basically a rout.

I'll say the median for turnover is 45 seats at this point, w/ Speaker Boehner near 70% and blowing past the 1994 mark of +54 at like 25%.

For as much as we fucked up in Nevada and the national press is harping on us nominating nut jobs, we're getting great candidates in a lot of tough House races, and the wave is still building. NRCC, NRSC and RNC need some dough though. The party of the people is really outdoing the party of the rich on the money front.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:08:18

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For as much as we $#@! up in Nevada and the national press is harping on us nominating nut jobs, we're getting great candidates in a lot of tough House races, and the wave is still building. NRCC, NRSC and RNC need some dough though. The party of the people is really outdoing the party of the rich on the money front.


I suspect that much of that gap vanishes if you add in the 537 cash that's sure to be flowing.
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Postby drsmooth » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:30:04

dajafi wrote:
pacino wrote:How is Saul Alinsky one of the worst figures of all-time? I really don't understand that one? I can see why right-wing bloggers would hate most of the others, though I of course would disagree with them.


Glenn Beck seems to think he's worse than Pol Pot


just a hypothesis, he had the temerity to foment class-based rather than race/gender/obsessively narrow-issue social agitation - while not relying on marxism to provide a narrative line.

Beck, like his adherents, is a self-hating gentile. It's his natural mode to want to be dominated by people whose interests conflict with his own, and be suspicious/fearful of those who say to hell with that.
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Postby drsmooth » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:34:14

jerseyhoya wrote:So one of my buddies is running an open seat race that is thought to be a toss up. The Fix has it in his top 30 to flip, but it's thought of as a good barometer/50-50 kind of race. Got a poll back recently that has his candidate up by a teens margin w/ a tea party independent in the race pulling 5%. Basically a rout.

I'll say the median for turnover is 45 seats at this point, w/ Speaker Boehner near 70% and blowing past the 1994 mark of +54 at like 25%.
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can you explain this for those of us who move our lips when we read political-insider-jargon-laced commentary? For example, how does paragraph 1 relate to paragraph 2? Are they even meant to be related?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:12:32

Just saying the publicly available polling at this point (which is mostly leaked polls from Republican campaigns) is showing the races thought to be tossups (say pickup opportunities 10-30) are leaning Republican at this point, and the races thought to be leaning Democrat (30-70 on the target list) are tossups.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:15:21

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:For as much as we $#@! up in Nevada and the national press is harping on us nominating nut jobs, we're getting great candidates in a lot of tough House races, and the wave is still building. NRCC, NRSC and RNC need some dough though. The party of the people is really outdoing the party of the rich on the money front.


I suspect that much of that gap vanishes if you add in the 537 cash that's sure to be flowing.


We'll see how much outside cash actually materializes. There was a lot of threatening in 2008, and not a whole heck of a lot of end product.

I think the NRSC and NRCC especially should start doing better in the money chase though with GOP majorities looking likelier.

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