Clay Davis Memorial POLITICS THREAD

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 05, 2010 16:20:35

Werthless wrote:I don't like how Brooks defines (or fails to define) the "educated" position.

Dunno about "lazy"; maybe Brooks is trying to identify a faction that is interested in a considered position, as opposed to a purely reactionary Marx-Brothers-ian "whatever it is/I'm against it"-type teahugger position.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 17:19:54

The state senate will vote on marriage equality legislation on Thursday, Senate President Richard Codey (D-Roseland) announced today.


Codey doesn't seem to think it has a chance to pass

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Postby dajafi » Tue Jan 05, 2010 18:37:26

Admittedly it's shooting dead fish in a small barrel, but you gotta love a good teardown of fatuous jackass Mark Halperin:

Mark Halperin's list of five things President Obama did well in his first year and five things Obama did poorly in his first year is quite a document. As others have noted, the five things Obama did well, according to Halperin, amounted to "governing the country." The five things that Obama did badly (aside from Halperin's critique of the White House's internal policy process) are mainly about image management. To wit: "Managing his public image." The most egregious, though, is "wooing official Washington."

Politically and personally, the First Couple and their top aides have shown no hankering for the Establishment seal of approval, nor have they accepted the glut of invitations to embassy parties and other tribal rituals of the political class. In the sphere of Washington glitter, the Clintons were clumsy and the Bush team indifferent, but the Obama Administration has turned a cold shoulder, disappointing Beltway salons and newsrooms whose denizens hoped the über-cool newbies would play.


Apparently, the administration -- which is governing during one of the most crises-laden periods in recent history and which is still operating without a number of its key officials -- should be spending more time partying. The charitable interpretation is that Halperin thinks this prioritization is making Obama's life unnecessarily hard: The White House could be getting better press coverage, and more support from established powerbrokers, if it was fanning out to more embassy parties, and that would make governing easier.

You wonder, however, whether Halperin recognizes the rot and corruption he's suggesting in "official Washington." The same goes for his item on Obama's media failures, which argues that Obama's "image makers have not been deft enough in finding a happy medium that allows Obama to be Obama while neutralizing some of the more poisonous, potentially indelible story lines."

Official Washington consists mainly of people who are paid to understand American politics. They shouldn't need to be feted at parties. Indeed, if their conclusions are being changed by glimpsing Larry Summers at the British Embassy, they're doing a terrible job. Either Obama is governing well and is worthy of respect or he isn't, but the assessment can't be that he's governing well but not coming to enough parties. At least, not unless we're in some serious "Fall of Rome" days here in Washington.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 18:42:43

The political media's equivalent of not voting someone into the Hall of Fame because he didn't give good post game interviews. Except possibly worse w/ the incestuous corruption angle.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Jan 05, 2010 18:51:08

jerseyhoya wrote:The political media's equivalent of not voting someone into the Hall of Fame because he didn't give good post game interviews. Except possibly worse w/ the incestuous corruption angle.


What's kind of amusing about it is that the last three presidents now, very different people with very different political back stories, have all basically snubbed "official Washington." You figure maybe they'd get over themselves at some point.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 21:55:58

Byron Dorgan is retiring

Hell yes

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 05, 2010 22:02:33

On Brooks point--Werthless misconstrues it as equating liberal with educated. Especially on trade. Educated people love free trade, while tea partiers are probably much more likely to be protectionist. Also, I suspect most tea partiers are isolationist, which doesn't really map neatly on a conventional liberal/conservative spectrum.
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Postby Rococo4 » Tue Jan 05, 2010 22:07:14

jerseyhoya wrote:Byron Dorgan is retiring

Hell yes


if there ever should be a pickup, this is it

also rumors swirling that CO GOV Bill Ritter wont run for reelection

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Jan 05, 2010 22:09:01

jerseyhoya wrote:I read this book today for my fake job. It sucked. I have a new dislike for Sen. Dorgan. What a dope.

jerseyhoya wrote:“If baseball is America’s pastime, then why isn’t it in every state of America? I’ll tell you why: Because professional sports teams want big money and want to be in big population centers. ... I think we should move the Minnesota Twins and the Minnesota Vikings to Bismarck and Fargo, but I’m not holding my breath.” - Senator Byron Dorgan

jerseyhoya wrote:I really dislike Dorgan too. Raving protectionist, economically illiterate moron. He's bff with Lou Dobbs.


My board history of disliking Byron Dorgan

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 06, 2010 00:03:48

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhB3jpQfd3k&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

:lol:

What a clown. Man he's embarrassing.

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Postby Harpua » Wed Jan 06, 2010 00:08:25

He's like Tobias Funke, and I apologize if that comparison has been made before.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 06, 2010 00:46:54

Rococo4 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Byron Dorgan is retiring

Hell yes


if there ever should be a pickup, this is it

also rumors swirling that CO GOV Bill Ritter wont run for reelection


Ritter expected to withdraw from governor's race

Don't think this hurts them much. McInnis would have been favored to beat Ritter. If Hickenlooper gets in they can maybe hold the seat.

What I want is a few more vulnerable Dem house seats to retire. And for the NRCC to stop sucking balls at raising money. Having a great time at recruiting, but without the $$$ we're not going to put into play as many seats as we should.

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Postby swishnicholson » Wed Jan 06, 2010 00:54:04

So I was flipping through the AM dial and whatever wingnut was on WPHT was saying that the Democrats could lose the Senate race in Massachusetts. Does the Republican really have anything more than a snowball's chance in hell? I mean, the cold wave could extend there, too.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 06, 2010 00:55:46

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/rassachusetts.html - Swish, there isn't a real chance we win the seat, but it might be an interesting data point heading into the midterms

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 06, 2010 01:07:11

Dodd is retiring

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jan 06, 2010 01:16:15

I mean really

Today is Tuesday

January 5th

Why was today "Prominent Democrats not run for reelection" day?

Dorgan retiring was a huge win for the Grand Old Party, Ritter probably a minor negative, and Dodd retiring a huge, huge blow for us picking up an otherwise unwinnable seat.

Individually they'd sum to a good day for the Dems, slightly, but I think the narrative of Dems running away from 2010 will cancel any of that out.

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Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 06, 2010 09:28:33

jerseyhoya wrote: Dodd retiring a huge, huge blow for us picking up an otherwise unwinnable seat.



And I was all set for Dodd's wrestling 'opponent' to give him the ol' helicopter.
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Postby Werthless » Wed Jan 06, 2010 09:37:57

TenuredVulture wrote:On Brooks point--Werthless misconstrues it as equating liberal with educated. Especially on trade. Educated people love free trade, while tea partiers are probably much more likely to be protectionist. Also, I suspect most tea partiers are isolationist, which doesn't really map neatly on a conventional liberal/conservative spectrum.

Free trade would have been a good example for Brooks to use, instead of abortion rights or gun control. His position might have had more force if he only chose, you know, examples where the tea partiers reflexively or ignorantly reject a reasoned position.

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Postby drsmooth » Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:37:20

Werthless wrote: His position might have had more force if he only chose, you know, examples where the tea partiers reflexively or ignorantly reject a reasoned position.


Why don't you provide us a two-column list, since you clearly feel you have a handle on the breakdown?


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Postby Werthless » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:40:45

Why don't you read my post where I listed his good examples and bad examples?

Thanks in advance.

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