Full of Passionate Intensity: POLITICS THREAD

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Nov 16, 2009 15:46:06

Werthless wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Except that everyone agrees that there are legitimate uses for eminent domain. Roads and schools need to be built somewhere. There are some really interesting eminent domain cases--in Hawaii, for instance, 72 landowners held 47% of the land, government held 49%, and everyone else had 4%. Land reform under eminent domain required the sale of some of the land to others. Hawaii Housing Authority v. Midkiff was a unanimous decision in 1984. So, as you can see, precedent has given state and local governments wide latitude at determining what counts as public use.

So, yes, we agree that what happened in Kelo was an injustice. However, it might be reasonable to argue that the Supreme Court is not the forum for the redress of all injustice.

I would make a similar argument concerning gay marriage--I believe in marriage equality, but I believe that it is better to establish gay marriage legislatively rather than judicially.

Schools can be built anywhere.
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Not necessarily. First, it isn't like the government has land just lying around--even if you can build a school where no one lives, you may still need eminent domain to acquire that land. Also, you want to build a school near where people live. There are dozens of factors to consider. Which is why the US Supreme Court may have determined that it's better to leave these decisions up to local governments. Again, I think the decision in Kelo was wrong, but it's not patently wrong on its face. It's more like Belichik going for it last night wrong.
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Postby pacino » Mon Nov 16, 2009 19:26:27

TenuredVulture wrote:OK, so there's controversy about civilian trials for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. But, if he's convicted, and gets the death penalty, doesn't that swing public opinion around? Isn't executing the guy tougher on terrorism than letting him spend his days on an island in the Caribbean?

It's funny, because when I rear the right wingers bitch about the trial, they never mention the fact that government is gonna try (and they will likely succeed) to execute. him.

It's really weird that there is this faux-controversy, with a windbag like Rudy Guliani leading the charge. THis is a guy that constantly and consistently praised such trials in the past, yet now's 'different'. Is there some thought that Mohammed will get loose and we'll all have a wild and crazy terrorist running around Manhattan?!?!?!?! OMGZ I've changed my own mind! Military trial only!!!!
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 17, 2009 01:53:40

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I mean, I pretty much hate her and had a serious discussion tonight about whether I would vote for her or Obama if no viable third party candidate emerged...but wtf is Newsweek doing with this cover?

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Postby swishnicholson » Tue Nov 17, 2009 02:00:29

jerseyhoya wrote:I mean, I pretty much hate her and had a serious discussion tonight about whether I would vote for her or Obama if no viable third party candidate emerged...but wtf is Newsweek doing with this cover?


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Postby Bakestar » Tue Nov 17, 2009 02:01:26

Seriously I got to about 22% chub.
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Postby drsmooth » Tue Nov 17, 2009 09:21:06

jerseyhoya wrote:I mean, I pretty much hate her and had a serious discussion tonight about whether I would vote for her or Obama if no viable third party candidate emerged...but wtf is Newsweek doing with this cover?


feeding the machine?
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Postby Harpua » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:33:12

I can't believe Newsweek smeared her with that cover. Fucking liberal media.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:40:27

I listen to American Family Radio for a few seconds every day. (It happens to be on the same frequency as my satellite radio so when I turn off my car, the satellite radio shuts down leaving me AFR.) Though it's supposedly a religious broadcast, it does seem based on my non random sampling to be pretty much all right wing politics. And not just anti-abortion and anti-gay--in fact, there's very little of that.

But anyway, they were going after David Brooks yesterday for his criticisms of Palin.
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Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:51:46

does the article bash her? from the title it looks like that could be the case. why would she even pose for that picture then?

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Postby The Dude » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:59:17

i don't get it, that pic has been out for a while. why is everyone getting pissed now?
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:01:47

What's the significance of the wallet in her hand? (It's a wallet, right?)

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Postby The Dude » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:06:50

it came out a while ago i thought as some kind of ad for alaska, so it probably has to do with that. if my memory isn't too kenzinger-riddled and i'm completely wrong
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:07:38

She did some article for Runner's World about the importance of running and fitness for health or something like that

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Postby Trent Steele » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:20:17

Bakestar wrote:Seriously I got to about 22% chub.


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Postby Harpua » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:21:25

Alright, well this seems to be the article. I may have thoughts once I finish. Or I might not, and try to push it out of my memory.

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Postby Harpua » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:30:30

Sarah Palin is mentioned like three times in that entire article, which is really more like a column. How can that be the cover story?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:36:13

Harpua wrote:Sarah Palin is mentioned like three times in that entire article, which is really more like a column. How can that be the cover story?


They're trying to sell magazines, which is fine, but it kind of is sexist, isn't it?

Also I love the concept of Palinistas taking over the congressional GOP. If you told John Boehner or Eric Cantor or Mitch McConnell they were Palinistas, they'd beat you to death with a tire iron.

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Postby dajafi » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:15:12

jerseyhoya wrote:
Harpua wrote:Sarah Palin is mentioned like three times in that entire article, which is really more like a column. How can that be the cover story?


They're trying to sell magazines, which is fine, but it kind of is sexist, isn't it?

Also I love the concept of Palinistas taking over the congressional GOP. If you told John Boehner or Eric Cantor or Mitch McConnell they were Palinistas, they'd beat you to death with a tire iron.


I would so love to fight any of those guys. They can have whatever non-gun weapon they'd like. And I haven't been in a fight since I think 1987...

Anyway.

I was thinking about this a few minutes ago, before seeing the (admittedly kind of arousing) magazine cover. (Seriously: if she were posing nude for Playboy inside--a possibility I bet you could get odds on in Las Vegas, btw--would the cover be much different?) The tone of media discussion around Palin is much, much closer to that around the late Anna Nicole Smith than, say, Susan Collins.

I mean, all our politicians are celebs: the Clintons, Obama obviously. But Palin's the first would-be president to be basically a tabloid story.

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Postby gpicaro » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:24:09

CNN:

Palin took aim at Newsweek's eye-catching cover this week that shows the former vice presidential candidate in her running outfit - an image that was apparently lifted from a Runner's World photo shoot months ago. Writing on her Facebook page Monday night, Palin said the depiction is flat out "sexist, and oh-so-expected."

"The choice of photo for the cover of this week's Newsweek is unfortunate. When it comes to Sarah Palin, this 'news' magazine has relished focusing on the irrelevant rather than the relevant," Palin wrote. "The out-of-context Newsweek approach is sexist, and oh-so-expected by now."

"If anyone can learn anything from it: it shows why you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, gender, or color of skin. The media will do anything to draw attention – even if out of context," Palin also said.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:25:55

So she talks about herself in the third person?

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