Birthers, Deathers, and the Muddled Middle: POLITICS THREAD

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Oct 13, 2009 21:39:41

Corzine CoS puts something in an email that, uh, would have been better communicated over a conference call or in person. Embarrassing and pathetic.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 14, 2009 09:18:10

Republican Christopher Christie leads Gov. Jon Corzine 41%-40% -- a statistical dead heat - and independent Christopher Daggett is at 14%, according to a poll released this morning by Quinnipiac University.

Corzine's favorables are his best in month, but are still upside-down: 40%-53%. Christie is at his worst since the start of the campaign, 38%-40% -- also upside-down. Daggett remains largely unknown: 73% of likely voters don't know enough about him to form an opinion.


New Jersey everybody! Both our major candidates are upside down. No one knows the third guy.

Corzine is at 34-62% job approval among independents. And is down 1 point. Some historic shit going on.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Oct 14, 2009 09:51:00

jerseyhoya wrote:
Republican Christopher Christie leads Gov. Jon Corzine 41%-40% -- a statistical dead heat - and independent Christopher Daggett is at 14%, according to a poll released this morning by Quinnipiac University.

Corzine's favorables are his best in month, but are still upside-down: 40%-53%. Christie is at his worst since the start of the campaign, 38%-40% -- also upside-down. Daggett remains largely unknown: 73% of likely voters don't know enough about him to form an opinion.


New Jersey everybody! Both our major candidates are upside down. No one knows the third guy.

Corzine is at 34-62% job approval among independents. And is down 1 point. Some historic $#@! going on.


I still think the historic trends in NJ are that Republicans perform better on election day than they poll, though I don't know if that goes for Quinnipiac as much as some of the other polls.
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Postby dajafi » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:24:41

I keep wondering if Daggett has reached out to Ventura's ad guy...

First Read notes that "11 years ago, almost to the day, a new poll came out in the Minnesota governor's race showing third party candidate, Jesse Ventura, sitting at 15%. At the time, just like here in New Jersey, all the buzz in Minnesota was about how Skip Humphrey and Norm Coleman were beating each other up, while the national climate, by the way, wasn't good for either party as we were in the midst of the impeachment mess. Ventura, of course, in about three weeks time, went from polling in the low-to-mid teens to winning the race outright. All the ingredients are there for Daggett in New Jersey: both major party nominees have upside down negatives; 40% believe Christie is NOT honest/trustworthy while 48% believe the same about Corzine. The national climate has a 'pox on both houses' feel to it."

"Now, New Jersey isn't Minnesota and Daggett has NO money to penetrate the NYC media market (which the latest Quinnipiac poll shows is a key weakness; he's stronger in the Philly market). But a break here (say a big endorsement from a well known/respected politician) or a break there (some sort of disastrous new scandal hitting either Corzine or Christie) and the floodgates could open. Daggett's VERY close to being seen as a credible alternative in political terms. Bottom line: there's too much volatility in the political landscape both in Jersey and nationally NOT to take Daggett VERY seriously as someone who could actually win this thing. Stranger things have happened, isn't that right Governor Ventura? Governor Schwarzenegger?"


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edit: I wonder if the "big endorsement from a well known/respected politician" could be Bloomberg. I believe he's well liked in NJ, and presumably he'd be happy to have across the river an(other) independent who owes him big-time...

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:38:24

I will vote for whoever looks more likely to win between Christie and Daggett, but that's going to be Christie. Daggett doesn't have the $$. Also I think New Jersey is more partisan of a state (at least on the Dem side) than Minnesota. There's a baseline vote for the Democrat in NJ, and it's bigger than 33.3%. Between the black vote, Hispanics and the public sector unions, Dems start at a number an independent can't reach if there's also a Republican in the race.

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Postby kruker » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:24:24

PA Senate numbers

A new Susquehanna poll finds that only 31% of Pennsylvania voters think Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) deserves to be re-elected, a "staggering" and "near fatal" number according to pollster Jim Lee (Oct. 7-12, 700 Rv, MoE +/- 3.7%). That's down from 38 points in February, prior to Specter's switch from the Republican Party. Among Democrats, 45% say it's time for someone else to represent the state in the Senate instead of the five-term senator

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Postby cshort » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:37:15

kruker wrote:PA Senate numbers

A new Susquehanna poll finds that only 31% of Pennsylvania voters think Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) deserves to be re-elected, a "staggering" and "near fatal" number according to pollster Jim Lee (Oct. 7-12, 700 Rv, MoE +/- 3.7%). That's down from 38 points in February, prior to Specter's switch from the Republican Party. Among Democrats, 45% say it's time for someone else to represent the state in the Senate instead of the five-term senator


So much for that strategy. Maybe Arlen will go Independent a la Lieberman.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 14, 2009 13:29:06

I really hope he keeps running, and doesn't read the writing on the wall and pull the plug himself. I'm looking forward to his concession speech on election night (primary or general).

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Postby traderdave » Wed Oct 14, 2009 14:53:02

I just read this article and my jaw dropped:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/state/e ... 79477.html

"His property tax plan is not something that I'm the least bit concerned with or interested in, and his candidacy is one that's an amusement," Christie said. "He's not going to be governor of New Jersey. We all know that. It's going to be me or it's going to be Jon Corzine, and I'm not really worried about Chris Daggett in the least."

True or not, what the hell is Christie thinking making comments like that? All he does is come off like the pompous ass that he is. Ironically, I could see where those comments make Daggett an even more viable candidate. How awesome would it be to see Daggett at the top of the standings come Nov. 4th?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 14, 2009 15:28:36

I think that's Christie just showing he has listened too well to his advisers that Daggett is killing him in the polls, and he needs to emphasize the race is between him and Corzine. Christie's support bleeding to Daggett is the reason the race is getting closer. Corzine still can't break 40. Some of that is on Christie for not laying out a clear vision (mostly because whatever solves NJ's problems of deficits and out of control spending is going to be politically unpalatable). Some of that is on Corzine spending the GDP of New Zealand on negative ads attacking Christie.

That's not to say Christie isn't a pompous ass.

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Postby Rococo4 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 15:30:35

jerseyhoya wrote:I really hope he keeps running, and doesn't read the writing on the wall and pull the plug himself. I'm looking forward to his concession speech on election night (primary or general).


dont worry, people like arlen dont think they will ever be rejected

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Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Oct 14, 2009 16:16:31

jerseyhoya wrote:I think that's Christie just showing he has listened too well to his advisers that Daggett is killing him in the polls, and he needs to emphasize the race is between him and Corzine. Christie's support bleeding to Daggett is the reason the race is getting closer. Corzine still can't break 40. Some of that is on Christie for not laying out a clear vision (mostly because whatever solves NJ's problems of deficits and out of control spending is going to be politically unpalatable). Some of that is on Corzine spending the GDP of New Zealand on negative ads attacking Christie.

That's not to say Christie isn't a pompous ass.


Is Daggett going to be in the debates?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Oct 14, 2009 16:20:12

Yes. There are one or two more. He was in the first one.

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Postby CrashburnAlley » Wed Oct 14, 2009 17:21:23

Glenn Beck seriously compared FOX News to Jews in the Holocaust. :shock:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBR9gW0kypc[/youtube]
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Postby pacino » Wed Oct 14, 2009 17:48:04

cshort wrote:
kruker wrote:PA Senate numbers

A new Susquehanna poll finds that only 31% of Pennsylvania voters think Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) deserves to be re-elected, a "staggering" and "near fatal" number according to pollster Jim Lee (Oct. 7-12, 700 Rv, MoE +/- 3.7%). That's down from 38 points in February, prior to Specter's switch from the Republican Party. Among Democrats, 45% say it's time for someone else to represent the state in the Senate instead of the five-term senator


So much for that strategy. Maybe Arlen will go Independent a la Lieberman.

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Postby traderdave » Wed Oct 14, 2009 21:33:54

TenuredVulture wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I think that's Christie just showing he has listened too well to his advisers that Daggett is killing him in the polls, and he needs to emphasize the race is between him and Corzine. Christie's support bleeding to Daggett is the reason the race is getting closer. Corzine still can't break 40. Some of that is on Christie for not laying out a clear vision (mostly because whatever solves NJ's problems of deficits and out of control spending is going to be politically unpalatable). Some of that is on Corzine spending the GDP of New Zealand on negative ads attacking Christie.

That's not to say Christie isn't a pompous ass.


Is Daggett going to be in the debates?[/quote

TV - I have yet to watch it all the way through (yeah, I'm a dork and DVR'd it) but general consensus seemed to be that Daggett "won" the first debate handily.

JH - The highlighted line made me :lol:

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Postby Werthless » Thu Oct 15, 2009 08:39:11

http://www.gop.com/index.php/chairman_s ... e_ask_you/

Michael Steele is now blogging. But notice how he editted his original post:


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Postby Woody » Thu Oct 15, 2009 08:48:18

CrashburnAlley wrote:Glenn Beck seriously compared FOX News to Jews in the Holocaust. :shock:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBR9gW0kypc[/youtube]


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Postby drsmooth » Thu Oct 15, 2009 08:58:41

Werthless wrote:http://www.gop.com/index.php/chairman_steele/comments/let_me_ask_you/

Michael Steele is now blogging. But notice how he editted his original post:


[img]Inscrutable%20image%20of%20Michael%20Steele's%20virgin%20blog%20entry[/img]


okay, for us mouth-breathers:

- what subtle nuance in Steele's post are you referencing here?
- is "editted" a clue or something? or is that just you?

I haven't had any coffee yet this am, & I frequently struggle with your perspective anyway, so
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Postby Werthless » Thu Oct 15, 2009 09:05:59

Check out the title from the link, and compare it to the screenshot.

What up?

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