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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 11:07:09

Krugman with his usual spiel, blames the CA budget crisis on Republicans who have "been driven mad by lack of power." Nevermind that Schwarzenegger, unable to raise taxes due to prop 13, has been trying to cut costs, only to run into resistance. Somehow, this is primarily the Republicans fault that Prop 13 rules the day.

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 11:54:20

Glenn Greenwald on fire today:

I consider it a good thing that fear-driven people like Wittes (and Newt Gingrich: "I think people should be afraid") are now becoming more candid about how "terrified" they are and how that drives what they advocate, but still: shouldn't a Brookings Scholar and self-described expert in legal matters know what the presidential oath and the Constitution actually say? As this non-Brookings-sch0lar blogger immediately pointed out, Wittes' description of the presidential oath is blatantly false:

Yet another "public intellectual" is allowed to get away with mischaracterizing the responsibilities of the President of the United States. . . .
Barack Obama did not swear an oath to "protect the country." He swore an oath to protect the principles upon which the country was founded and the document in which those principles are enshrined:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Considering that Wittes' assertion is central to the discussion of whether it is appropriate to dismantle our constitutional legal framework in the name of safety and security, one might expect the New York Times to provide a clarification. One might even expect the paper to engage Mr. Wittes in a discussion about the distinction between "protecting the country" and protecting the constitution. But the NYT does neither. It simply lets the false assertion stand as a statement of fact.


The claim that the President takes an oath to "defend the country" -- as though he's some sort of National Security Daddy-Monarch whose supreme, overriding duty is to Keep Us Safe -- is one of the most basic, common and destructive myths in our discourse. That was the warped mindset that lay at the heart of the Bush/Cheney/Addington/Yoo model of the presidency -- that everything, including limitations on presidential powers and the Constitution itself, is subordinated to the sole mandate that the President do everything possible -- whatever is necessary -- to Protect Us All.

This deceitful description of the Presidentíal oath -- just like the compulsion for civilians to refer to the President as "our Commander-in-Chief" even though he is no such thing to civilians -- reflects the modern fetishization of the President as Supreme Military Protector, who has few other duties that matter, if he has any, other than single-handedly protecting us from danger. Even our so-called "legal experts" now blatantly misquote the oath to which the Constitution requires the President to swear, all in order to justify even the most extreme powers, such as imprisoning people potentially for life with no trial and no charges (he swore to protect the country from dangers and so he must do whatever is necessary to accomplish that).

The U.S. Constitution: "just a damn piece of paper."

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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 13:06:10

Heh. I was just reading Greenwald's column about Obama's preventive detention planwhen I saw your post about his new column.

Here's an incisive clip about preventive detention from a fervent libertarian perspective.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WXUDKEjE3w[/youtube]

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Postby Woody » Tue May 26, 2009 13:11:43

I always feel like Rachel Maddow is actually hosting Weekend Update on SNL. Something about her tone...
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 13:12:37

I almost compared her to John Stewart, but with even less funny.

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 13:30:03

Weiner will not run for NYC mayor

(I'm waiting for a blistering jeff2sf "DAMMIT DAJAFI NONE OF US CARE ABOUT THE NYC MAYORAL RACE EXCEPT YOU AND MAYBE LETHAL GET OVER IT" post, at which point I'll stop putting up items relating to this race)

Kind of a shame, as Weiner--who's smart, just not as smart as he thinks he is--might have given us a real campaign at least. He's much more engaging than Thompson, the snooze of a Comptroller who now will be the nominee, and Bloomberg really dislikes him, which might have been fun.

Weiner was also the only Democrat I potentially could have worked up some enthusiasm in voting for. Now I'll probably wind up voting for the mayor, and being annoyed about it.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue May 26, 2009 13:33:30

Dajafi, you're pleased about Sotomayer, right?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 26, 2009 13:43:11

I care about the NY mayoral race and get probably 80% of my updates from you. Please keep posting about it.

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 14:00:17

jerseyhoya wrote:I care about the NY mayoral race and get probably 80% of my updates from you. Please keep posting about it.


Eh, you probably just wrote that to piss jeff off.

(I kid, I kid...)

And yeah, I'm psyched about Sotomayor. First potential SCOTUS justice to have conferred approval on my marriage... I was watching the event this morning and realized I'd had reasonably lengthy and substantial conversations with two of the three people up there (Biden too).

edit: good AP article about Sotomayor, with some mention of decisions I hadn't heard about that might help dispel the notion that she's some kind of default-voting liberal.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue May 26, 2009 14:17:17

I hear Norm Ornstein saying nice things about her on NPR. So, I'm guessing Ornstein will now be labelled as a Leninist or something by the right.
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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 14:19:39

Asshole faceoff (SCOTUS edition): Glenn Beck vs. Rush Limbaugh!

Actually, I think Rush wins--it's almost impossible to be more of an asshole than he is. Beck, however, might be the single dumbest individual in public life.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Tue May 26, 2009 14:30:00

Forget Beck, but is that the best Limbaugh has? I mean this isn't a surprise pick, and presumably there's some actual liberal decision or writing or something he should have ready.

I suppose there's the case with the firefighters. But she saved baseball from the owners.

There's apparently not much on social issues.

What I like about the pick is that she's knowledge about securities and finance law, and that's likely to be a pretty important issue going forward.
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Postby drsmooth » Tue May 26, 2009 14:40:25

Werthless wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Chief Justice susceptible to confusion by small sample size? This gives me little confidence:

NY Times 5/26 When the Justices Ask Questions, Be Prepared to Lose the Case A few years ago, a second-year law student at Georgetown unlocked the secret to predicting which side will win a case in the Supreme Court based on how the argument went. Her theory has been tested and endorsed by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., and has been confirmed by elaborate studies from teams of professors.

“The bottom line, as simple as it sounds,” said the student, Sarah Levien Shullman, who is now a litigation associate at a law firm in Florida, “is that the party that gets the most questions is likely to lose.”

Chief Justice Roberts heard about Ms. Shullman’s study while he was still a federal appeals court judge, and he decided to test its conclusion for himself. So he picked 14 cases each from the terms that started in October 1980 and October 2003, and he started counting.

“The most-asked-question ‘rule’ predicted the winner — or more accurately, the loser — in 24 of those 28 cases, an 86 percent prediction rate,” he told the Supreme Court Historical Society in 2004.


Chief Justice Roberts had argued 39 cases in the Supreme Court, and he was considered one of the leading appellate advocates of his generation. He sounded both fascinated and a little deflated by the results of his experiment. “The secret to successful advocacy,” he said playfully, “is simply to get the court to ask your opponent more questions.”

Cool article, but 24/28 gives you good evidence that the number of questions does matter (Chi square=8.2, p<.01).


That's basically what I was looking for. It just seemed to me that there could be considerable year to year variation, and things like random questions ("can you hear me ok?") that might mess things up (but the latter issue was addressed in the article).

Seems like an interesting variation on the time-honored interview tip: if the interviewer is doing most of the talking, you're in good shape - unless s/he's a Sup Ct justice.
Yes, but in a double utley you can put your utley on top they other guy's utley, and you're the winner. (Swish)

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 14:44:32

TenuredVulture wrote:Forget Beck, but is that the best Limbaugh has? I mean this isn't a surprise pick, and presumably there's some actual liberal decision or writing or something he should have ready.

I suppose there's the case with the firefighters. But she saved baseball from the owners.

There's apparently not much on social issues.

What I like about the pick is that she's knowledge about securities and finance law, and that's likely to be a pretty important issue going forward.


Limbaugh sees everything in racial terms. Maybe he was beaten mercilessly and repeatedly by non-white kids when he was young; that at least would sort of explain the career-long obsession with color and ethnicity.

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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 14:55:28

drsmooth wrote:
Werthless wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Chief Justice susceptible to confusion by small sample size? This gives me little confidence:

NY Times 5/26 When the Justices Ask Questions, Be Prepared to Lose the Case ...
“The most-asked-question ‘rule’ predicted the winner — or more accurately, the loser — in 24 of those 28 cases, an 86 percent prediction rate,” he told the Supreme Court Historical Society in 2004.[/i]
...

Cool article, but 24/28 gives you good evidence that the number of questions does matter (Chi square=8.2, p<.01).


That's basically what I was looking for. It just seemed to me that there could be considerable year to year variation, and things like random questions ("can you hear me ok?") that might mess things up (but the latter issue was addressed in the article).

Seems like an interesting variation on the time-honored interview tip: if the interviewer is doing most of the talking, you're in good shape - unless s/he's a Sup Ct justice.

I can't speak to the methodology, but I assume it was a decent survey. I figured I'd add the statistical relevance of such an outcome occurring. If I were to flip a coin and got heads 24/28 times, I'd start questioning whether the coin was rigged.

Unfortunately, without a control, you can't really speak to whether this knowledge, that the counsel asked the least questions tends to win, is actionable. For example, as a lawyer, it may be next to impossible to "persuade" the SCOTUS to ask more questions of your opposing counsel. The questions are likely just a reaction to the weaker argument (ie. "I'll ask a few questions of the counsel with worse arguments to make sure I'm not overlooking one of their points.")

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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 14:56:50

dajafi wrote:asshat faceoff (SCOTUS edition): Glenn Beck vs. Rush Limbaugh!

Actually, I think Rush wins--it's almost impossible to be more of an asshat than he is. Beck, however, might be the single dumbest individual in public life.

This stuff is embarrassing to read.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue May 26, 2009 15:04:11

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn't lived that life." -- Judge Sonia Sotomayor, in her Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California (Berkeley) School of Law in 2001


http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/or_20090523_2724.php

I imagine this is what Rush is talking about.

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 15:05:45

Werthless wrote:
dajafi wrote:asshat faceoff (SCOTUS edition): Glenn Beck vs. Rush Limbaugh!

Actually, I think Rush wins--it's almost impossible to be more of an asshat than he is. Beck, however, might be the single dumbest individual in public life.

This stuff is embarrassing to read.


I'm sure. It's a symptom, though. As you probably appreciate better than most as a consistent libertarian, the deeper problem is this.

Believing in limited government does not mean loathing all government; in fact, it means making a smaller government more effective, in part by limiting its ambitions to what it can effectively do that no other body can. The resilience of the anti-government thread - even in its least articulate "tea-partying" variety - and the cogency of this critique in the long-term of Obama's pragmatic liberalism make a small government Republicanism hard to kill, however much some would like it.
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If you cannot cut taxes, and you will not make a dent on entitlements, then the next big ticket item is defense. My view is that a successful future Republicanism will begin to urge a dismantling of the empire and a limiting of the war on terror just as it will do in the war on drugs.

I find this entirely logical (even if my personal version of it would be "...that no other body can do as well or as affordably"), just not feasible for a party that has become all id. Maybe before anything else, the Republicans need to calm the hell down.

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Postby Werthless » Tue May 26, 2009 15:14:47

jerseyhoya wrote:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn't lived that life." -- Judge Sonia Sotomayor, in her Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California (Berkeley) School of Law in 2001


http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/or_20090523_2724.php

I imagine this is what Rush is talking about.

Thanks for that. I forgot she was involved in that firefighter case, and upheld the racial discrimination against the white firefighters. (I didn't listen to the Rush clip)

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Postby dajafi » Tue May 26, 2009 15:17:45

jerseyhoya wrote:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn't lived that life." -- Judge Sonia Sotomayor, in her Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California (Berkeley) School of Law in 2001


http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/or_20090523_2724.php

I imagine this is what Rush is talking about.


Not saying that you haven't, jh, but for anyone else interested in this, I would urge reading the full article to which jh links.

"Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice [Sandra Day] O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases.... I am... not so sure that I agree with the statement. First... there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

The full text of the speech, as published in the Berkeley La Raza Law Journal in 2002, is available on The New York Times website. (It says that the speech was in 2002; I've read elsewhere that it was October 2001.)

To some extent, Sotomayor's point was an unexceptionable description of the fact that no matter how judges try to be impartial, their decisions are shaped in part by their personal backgrounds and values, especially when the law is unclear. As she detailed, for example, some studies suggest that female judges tend to have different voting patterns than males on issues including sex discrimination.

I also share Sotomayor's view that presidents should seek more ethnic and gender diversity on the bench, so that members of historically excluded groups can see people like themselves in important positions and because collegial bodies tend to act more wisely when informed by a diversity of experiences.


It's an interesting article, in part because Taylor seems (to me, at least) genuinely unsure whether Sotomayor is acknowledging what seems a fairly obvious fact--that one's background and experiences influences one's perceptions and opinions--or actually stereotyping and preferencing, in this case against white men. He goes on:

But do we want a new justice who comes close to stereotyping white males as (on average) inferior beings? And who seems to speak with more passion about her ethnicity and gender than about the ideal of impartiality?


Having occasionally done so myself, I know how writers equivocate to advance a point they're not entirely sure about--with phrases like "comes close to" and "seems to speak." My sense (and, yes, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, for a bunch of reasons) is that this one statement in a speech probably isn't indicative of a career-long pattern of discrimination. But part of the process is digging through her substantial record to see if such a pattern is there.

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