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Postby allentown » Thu May 21, 2009 22:31:41

TenuredVulture wrote:
dajafi wrote:Sure. DeLay guessed that the partisan ID trend was with him to a point where he could take districts that were, say, +15 and +5, and make them both +10. My sense is that CA is much more inclined toward really, really safe seats. They've had a few change hands--Richard Pombo's is the one I remember--but not many.


I think Delay's plan would take a +10 district and a -5 district to create two +7.5 districts. My understanding is the defense of the plan was to create a delegation that had a partisan alignment that more close matched that of the state. The Texas Republican party, thanks to Rove and Bush, hasn't alienated Hispanic voters to the extent it has elsewhere, so the swing at the Congressional level isn't as substantial as it might otherwise be.


However, incumbency is still a huge advantage.

Bad math. A +10 district and a -5 district would give two +2.5 districts, but that is not so much how the game is worked. You aggregate the black voters in one district. Thus, districts that are +2, -5, -5 can be transformed into +15, +15, -40. The neatest trick about this is that the new black incumbent in the -34 district will fight tooth and nail to preserve this gerrymander that gave Delay's side two safe districts out of a marginal district and two losers.
We now know that Amaro really is running the Phillies. He and Monty seem to have ignored the committee.
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Postby dajafi » Fri May 22, 2009 11:32:42

Stormy Daniels forms exploratory committee to run for Senate vs. Vitter.

This is great, except that for some reason, they didn't grab the URL explorestormy.com. Maybe it's taken? You have to figure that would quickly set a record for (sort of) political web traffic.

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Postby kruker » Fri May 22, 2009 11:39:49

The porn queen vs. the diaper dandy

I eagerly anticipate the condescension and hypocrisy.

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Postby drsmooth » Fri May 22, 2009 13:39:08

dajafi wrote:Stormy Daniels forms exploratory committee to run for Senate vs. Vitter.

This is great, except that for some reason, they didn't grab the URL explorestormy.com. Maybe it's taken? You have to figure that would quickly set a record for (sort of) political web traffic.



probestormy.com ?
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Postby Squire » Fri May 22, 2009 14:30:09

I have to admit - I hate this crap. I know the level of cynicism among voters is sky high but I don't think this helps. As much as I would like to consider myself a philosophical conservative, I don't want our government to be considered a joke.

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Postby dajafi » Fri May 22, 2009 15:36:39

drsmooth wrote:
dajafi wrote:Stormy Daniels forms exploratory committee to run for Senate vs. Vitter.

This is great, except that for some reason, they didn't grab the URL explorestormy.com. Maybe it's taken? You have to figure that would quickly set a record for (sort of) political web traffic.



probestormy.com ?


Save that for after she's officially in the race. At that point, you create a tiered pricing system for citizen-journalists who really want to "go deep" into the burning issues.

(This is too easy.)

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Postby dajafi » Fri May 22, 2009 15:42:32

How Rahm Emanuel made Steve Israel drop his challenge to Sen. Gillibrand:

Israel was given an ultimatum: if he proceeded with the Senate race, the White House would go to great pains to shut off every dollar in the state. With Schumer’s help, the administration would make sure all the big Democratic donors and institutional players kept their distance. They would show no restraint, even campaigning against him and raising money in Israel’s own home turf. Obama himself would come out to campaign in New York City, cutting off at the knees the downstate, Manhattan-focused appeal Israel would have needed to run to Gillibrand’s left. And perhaps most damning of all, given whom the math dictated Israel would have needed in his column, Emanuel indicated that the nation’s first black president was prepared to barnstorm through New York’s black neighborhoods hand-in-hand with the junior senator, employing his appeal to African-Americans to a political degree he usually avoids. Oh, and as for Israel having any role shaping policy in the House while all this was going on? Forget it.

Those were the sticks.

Or, Emanuel told Israel, there was another option. Step aside and earn the gratitude of the White House. Israel wants to be a prime player on green energy, one of Obama’s legislative priorities. Common ground could be found. Emanuel knew how to rise through the ranks of the House leadership—he was third in command, not all that far from being speaker before accepting his job from Obama. Perhaps something along those lines was of interest? And hey, these days, you never know what could happen in politics anywhere in the country, but especially in New York. Another opportunity could arise sooner than he might think. Counting the president and White House chief-of-staff as friends might be of some use.


Not that he had a prayer, but Manhattan borough president Scott Stringer dropped as well. Still, I hope someone runs against Senator Flick.

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Postby pacino » Fri May 22, 2009 16:52:57

IM AFRAID OF THE GITMO PRISONERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT IF THEY GET LOOSE?!?!!?!?!?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 22, 2009 22:44:06

A Jon Corzine commercial.

Fuck you Corzine. Fuck you.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 22, 2009 22:44:43

jerseyhoya wrote:A Jon Corzine commercial.

$#@! you Corzine. $#@! you.


He's not quite a billionaire.
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Postby swishnicholson » Fri May 22, 2009 22:47:00

jerseyhoya wrote:A Jon Corzine commercial.

$#@! you Corzine. $#@! you.


I'm going to waste my ballot on Christopher Daggett. Who am I actually helping to elect?

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 22, 2009 22:48:04

Probably no one because one vote almost never matters.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 22, 2009 22:49:44

Hey, speaking of NJ politics, I think my old friend from like 1st grade all through high school is going to run against Rush Holt. JH, any insight on NJ 12?
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Postby CrashburnAlley » Fri May 22, 2009 22:51:53

jerseyhoya wrote:Probably no one because one vote never matters.


Fixed your post. 8-)
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 22, 2009 22:51:57

Once upon a time it was a competitive district for us. Zimmer and Pappas had it for most of the 1990s. The 2000 redistricting made it a bit safer for Holt, and made NJ-07 better for us. Unless Holt gets caught touching little boys or something he's safe as long as he wants that seat. Those are the sort of higher education voters who have trended Dem over the course of the decade, and it was marginally Dem even before that shift.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 22, 2009 22:52:14

CrashburnAlley wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Probably no one because one vote never matters.


Fixed your post. 8-)


Well, no.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 22, 2009 23:09:12

jerseyhoya wrote:Once upon a time it was a competitive district for us. Zimmer and Pappas had it for most of the 1990s. The 2000 redistricting made it a bit safer for Holt, and made NJ-07 better for us. Unless Holt gets caught touching little boys or something he's safe as long as he wants that seat. Those are the sort of higher education voters who have trended Dem over the course of the decade, and it was marginally Dem even before that shift.


It does seem that the 90s 12th bears little relation to the 00s 12th though. It was carved out of the 3rd mostly, wasn't it?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 22, 2009 23:15:31

No, it's north of the third. The third is my home district. Cherry Hill+east Burlco+central Ocean. The fourth, Chris Smith, is north of the third. Then you get to the 12th. I think what the incumbent protection redistricting did was give the 7th a few GOP towns and the 12th got some Dem towns plus more of Trenton.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri May 22, 2009 23:18:16

jerseyhoya wrote:No, it's north of the third. The third is my home district. Cherry Hill+east Burlco+central Ocean. The fourth, Chris Smith, is north of the third. Then you get to the 12th. I think what the incumbent protection redistricting did was give the 7th a few GOP towns and the 12th got some Dem towns plus more of Trenton.


I must be thinking about the 80s then, when the was James Howard's district. Maybe the 70s. One of my first lessons in politics. My father, a pretty conservative guy (though he hated Nixon) was voting for Howard, and I wanted to know why. Dad worked at Ft. Monmouth, and he said, "Howard saved the fort, and you didn't have to move to Alabama."

Pallone succeeded Howard, and the district still stretched into Monmouth County until the 90s redistricting. I know this, because I worked a little on that campaign. He ran against a guy named Joe Azzolino, who owned some Foodtowns or something in Keyport.

I just checked a map. Pallone's 6th district isn't really contiguous. Not even at low tide. Oh well.

Anyway, my point is I grew up in the 3rd district, but now it's the 12th. The 90s redistricting changed things a lot.
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Postby kruker » Sat May 23, 2009 12:32:18

From a Obama-Biden campaign position paper:

Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all large corporate polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away for free to coal and oil companies.

From today's newspaper:

Under the House bill, only 15% of the emission permits will be auctioned initially. The rest of the permits will be given away -- 2% to oil refiners, 5% to free-standing "merchant" coal plants, 9% to regulated natural-gas distributors, and so on.

So, Mr President, the bill now being considered in Congress is in direct contradiction to your campaign pledge. Will you now please stand up for principle and issue a veto threat?


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