Al Franken Century / Super Inaug-u-rama Politics Thread

Postby Woody » Thu Jan 22, 2009 15:38:36

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Postby dajafi » Thu Jan 22, 2009 17:14:57

More on the NY Senate seat. Gillibrand seems to have the inside track, in large part because she's a strong fundraiser, but they're worried about losing her House seat. Tom Suozzi, who also is in the mix, wouldn't be a bad call--he's a pro-business Democrat, basically, who won big in traditionally Republican Nassau County.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 22, 2009 19:01:12

We could pick up Gillibrand's House seat, but I think she'd be a good senator for the Democratic Party. Plus, she's politician hot.

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Postby dajafi » Thu Jan 22, 2009 20:36:56

That's true. Also, great phrase.

I guess the seat could flip via midterm effect, but the premise likely requires more Republicans of the Sherry Boehlert stripe, not the Vito Fosella model. Was it Boehlert who had that seat before Gillebrand?

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Postby Bakestar » Thu Jan 22, 2009 22:14:17

dajafi wrote:That's true. Also, great phrase.

I guess the seat could flip via midterm effect, but the premise likely requires more Republicans of the Sherry Boehlert stripe, not the Vito Fosella model. Was it Boehlert who had that seat before Gillebrand?


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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 22, 2009 22:45:13

dajafi wrote:That's true. Also, great phrase.

I guess the seat could flip via midterm effect, but the premise likely requires more Republicans of the Sherry Boehlert stripe, not the Vito Fosella model. Was it Boehlert who had that seat before Gillebrand?


No. It was John Sweeney, who only lost in 2006 because he beat his wife. It's a pretty good seat for us. Maybe R +3 or +4.

Also, we almost won Sherry Boehlert's seat back this cycle literally without trying. It got no national money, no attention, and Arcuri only held by less than 52-48. I think Arcuri will lose next cycle.

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Postby Wizlah » Fri Jan 23, 2009 06:12:21

Glad to see that Obama is looking beyond Guantanamo to the issue of dismantling rendition as a whole. I'm cynical about this things, so I presume it will not stop Government security bodies trying to extract information through torture or disappearing folk when they want to. Having said that, it makes it harder, so that will be good. Given that this practice has been going on near 15 years now, it's about time it got stopped.

Interesting appointment of Mitchell as special envoy to the middle east. It's sensible, in so far as he as done this kind of work before in the North and done it well, but I would hope he doesn't just assume that exactly the same kind of solution will work.
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Postby kruker » Fri Jan 23, 2009 19:47:21

Princess Caroline still trying to save face or what? Her camp is still saying that she was the leading candidate despite the Governor saying he had already made up his mind before she bowed out for undisclosed personal reasons.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Jan 23, 2009 21:46:44

I'll take "People I'd Love To See In Jail" for 400, Alex.

Also, goddamn why didn't Pelosi win that fight back in 2006? This man would be a great House Majority Leader for us.

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Fri Jan 23, 2009 21:49:52

jerseyhoya wrote:I'll take "People I'd Love To See In Jail" for 400, Alex.


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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Jan 26, 2009 16:19:15

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Postby dajafi » Mon Jan 26, 2009 17:00:20

I always thought Carville looked more like a lizard.

He and Mary Matalin totally should have been cast as a villainous couple of Voldemort followers in the Harry Potter movies. Bonus: they wouldn't really have to act.

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Jan 26, 2009 18:04:35

dajafi wrote:I always thought Carville looked more like a lizard.

He and Mary Matalin totally should have been cast as a villainous couple of Voldemort followers in the Harry Potter movies. Bonus: they wouldn't really have to act.

But who do you feel more sorry for... Carville for looking like that cat, or that cat for lookling like Carville :?:
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Postby steagles » Mon Jan 26, 2009 18:27:02

i like this congressman gingrey. who is he, and why does he seem sane?


can i vote for him in 2012?
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Oh. I'm replying to a Steagles post. Um. OK.
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Postby pacino » Tue Jan 27, 2009 17:17:21

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Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jan 27, 2009 18:55:15

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Image



How about this one, Henry Waxman and the guy from the Eye of the Beholder episode of the Twilight Zone.


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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Tue Jan 27, 2009 20:09:05

Only prez for one week, and he's already got the "game" down...

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Postby Wizlah » Wed Jan 28, 2009 06:36:12

Really wish he hadn't given the go-ahead to continuing raids on the Pakistan border. I guess he's done this at the advice of petreus, but I thought a breather and reassessment of america's relations with Pakistan might have been more sensible. Just feels like business as usual in that corner of the world.
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Postby Wizlah » Wed Jan 28, 2009 06:48:30

Gerry Adams on George Mitchell and the Middle East. None of it is groundbreaking, but it's a cogent talking through the basics of negotiating a peace settlement.

Of course, a lot will depend on the terms of reference he has been given. Ultimately, however, no matter how good he might be, George Mitchell will not produce a negotiated agreement in the Middle East. That is for the Israeli government and the Palestinians. But to have any hope of achieving that goal, the US and the international community have to engage with this issue in a concentrated way and treat the participants on the basis of equality.
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Postby Wizlah » Wed Jan 28, 2009 07:37:39

Genius. UK Govt Security Advisor craps on Blair's Foreign Policy in the most epic fashion possible:

In an outspoken assessment of the terror risk facing Britain, Gordon Brown's security adviser was scathing about the assertion, made by Tony Blair when prime minister, that foreign policy did not alter the UK's risk of a terror attack.

"We never used to accept that our foreign policy ever had any effect on terrorism," he said. "Well, that was clearly bollocks."


"The business in Gaza has not helped us at all in our counter-radicalism strategy. We have key people in the Muslim community who we are in dialogue with, and they are quick to let us know there is an issue that is causing us a worry.

"They said it was coming over very badly. It fits in with the al-Qaida message, so we have to be very quick to respond to that and we have been quick to make sure that for Friday prayers, it is clear what our position is.


All this following on from David Miliband's rather damning repudiation of the concept of War On Terror two weeks ago.

"The more we lump terrorist groups together and draw the battle lines as a simple binary struggle between moderates and extremists or good and evil, the more we play into the hands of those seeking to unify groups with little in common," Miliband argues, in a clear reference to the signature rhetoric of the Bush era. "We should expose their claim to a compelling and overarching explanation and narrative as the lie that it is."

"Terrorism is a deadly tactic, not an institution or an ideology," he says.

He argues that "the war on terror implied a belief that the correct response to the terrorist threat was primarily a military one - to track down and kill a hardcore of extremists". But he quotes an American commander, General David Petraeus, saying the western coalition in Iraq "could not kill its way out of the problems of insurgency and civil strife".


Bit of a shock to my system to hear so much sense talked by the UK govt. I mean, in miliband's case, about 5 years too late, and I have trouble reconciling it with his sabre rattling over Putin, but if it's Foreign Office Policy now, these kind of attitudes dictate a saner approach to terrorism.
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