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Postby VoxOrion » Sat Nov 08, 2008 20:56:46

Good Lord please lets not have a return to 1933 thx.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 08, 2008 21:00:41

TenuredVulture wrote:OOoh, since Louisiana has that messed up electoral system, we still get to watch political ads!


I spent an awful lot of time reading through Shreveport Times archives digging up dirt on Carmouche this summer. It's a shame my organization does not have the money to put up negative ads that could entertain you on commercial breaks.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 08, 2008 21:04:09

jerseyhoya wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:OOoh, since Louisiana has that messed up electoral system, we still get to watch political ads!


I spent an awful lot of time reading through Shreveport Times archives digging up dirt on Carmouche this summer. It's a shame my organization does not have the money to put up negative ads that could entertain you on commercial breaks.


Indeed. So, what kind of dirt on Carmouche were you able to dig up?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 08, 2008 21:09:14

Nothing really actually. The guy seems like a decent dude.

There were a few issues with the DA office where guys they chose to plea with went on to commit other crimes. I imagine if we were actually to run ads, it would have been a vote for Carmouche is a vote for Pelosi type thing. Boring.

There is actually an interesting thing where the black community in Shreveport does not like Carmouche because he has sided with the cops in a couple of police shooting cases. There was a black state sen or something from there that was going to run as an independent, but they didn't sadly.

Should end up being a close race, not an interesting one though since the candidates don't really disagree on much.

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Postby pacino » Sat Nov 08, 2008 22:02:36

TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 08, 2008 22:12:11

pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far


No, he's the worst leader in the west right now.
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Postby pacino » Sat Nov 08, 2008 22:21:48

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far


No, he's the worst leader in the west right now.

Nah, he's got that cool tan.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Nov 08, 2008 22:24:11

pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far


No, he's the worst leader in the west right now.

Nah, he's got that cool tan.


Did you hear his comment regarding Obama?
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 08, 2008 23:13:28

FTN wrote:Geithner is the head of the New York Fed. And apparently was the point man in deciding that Lehman should be allowed to fail. I basically don't want anyone who was a part of the last few years to be carried over into the new regime. Especially someone who may have helped trigger this collapse. Summers lacks people skills. He says dumb things when he opens his mouth. I know he has lots of experience in labor economics and is a good macro guy, which I think is what we need right now, and hes worked in Treasury before, so there won't be a massive adjustment period while he learns the ropes.


I'm just happy this smug putz will get less attention
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Postby phdave » Sun Nov 09, 2008 00:36:02

The Phillies: People trading People to People.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Nov 09, 2008 16:19:08

Read about this on NR's The Corner, but this is really just staggeringly bad from Newsweek.

The day of the third debate, Palin refused to go onstage with New Hampshire GOP Sen. John Sununu and Jeb Bradley, a New Hampshire congressman running for the Senate, because they were pro-choice and because Bradley opposed drilling in Alaska.


I mean christ. So were they both running for the same Senate seat? Jeb Bradley is a congressman again? Sununu's pro-choice? She's not such an ideologue on ANWR that she'd run on a ticket with a guy who opposes it, but she makes stage appearance decisions based on the issue?

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Postby philliesphhan » Sun Nov 09, 2008 17:42:35

She is very bright, that should be obvious to any observer.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Nov 09, 2008 17:50:42

I was making fun of Newsweek for getting at least four things factually wrong in one sentence.

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Postby smitty » Sun Nov 09, 2008 17:59:38

I like to read PTK's posts but I'm not about to wade through there and quote him. He did mention he would really like for the President to tell the truth. I think he was talking about the president. Regardless, I disagree. I want the president to not be all that concerned with telling the truth.

The only president I can think of who was truthful was Carter and it hurt him badly. He was not a good president (although he is a great man) and telling the truth was part of his problem.

Our best presidents lied and were durn good at it (FDR is the best example). Normally, guys who tell the truth like Mondale and Dukakis and Goldwater get wiped out in the election if not before that in the nominating process (e.g. Tsongas).

Telling the truth is not a good thing at times. If Kennedy told the truth about the Berlin Wall, we'd have been screwed. If FDR had told the truth we'd all be speaking German right now and this would be some kind of soccer board called "Ich bin ein Philadelphian" or something.

Eisenhower actually believed in not lying (although neh was more of a dazzler with BS than a truth teller). But he had guys do his lying for him. He regretted lying about the U2 thing -- but he said he should have had Hagerty or someone tell the lie instead of him.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Nov 09, 2008 18:09:33

A black man is going to be President.

The Phillies won the World Series.

I still find myself thinking these two thoughts in my head with a degree of shock.

And, then, I think these things happened within a couple of weeks of each other.
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Postby swishnicholson » Sun Nov 09, 2008 20:21:56

dajafi wrote:Great WSJ op-ed--by a liberal guest contributor, I think--about the dumbing-down of the Right over the last quarter-century:



This guy concludes that "the conservative intellectual tradition" is dead. I don't agree with that at all, but it's certainly not very evident at the moment. Get well soon, guys.


Catching up to this late, but David Brooks, who usually makes me gag, made many of the same points on TV and in this column.

Of course Brooks considers himself one of the elite pushed to the side, so there may be personal feelings intertwined.
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Postby swishnicholson » Sun Nov 09, 2008 20:23:21

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far


No, he's the worst leader in the west right now.

Nah, he's got that cool tan.


Did you hear his comment regarding Obama?


Is this Arkansas irony, or did you somehow miss the reference to the same reference you were referencing?
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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Nov 09, 2008 20:40:35

swishnicholson wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Sometimes, Americans abroad felt embarrassed by George W. Bush. But really, the people who should be embarrassed by their national leader are the Italians. Not only is Berlusconi worse than Bush by just about every measure, they elected him 3 times!

starting in January, he's the worst leader in the West by far


No, he's the worst leader in the west right now.

Nah, he's got that cool tan.


Did you hear his comment regarding Obama?


Is this Arkansas irony, or did you somehow miss the reference to the same reference you were referencing?


I'm not sure.
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Postby karn » Sun Nov 09, 2008 20:51:51

swishnicholson wrote:
dajafi wrote:Great WSJ op-ed--by a liberal guest contributor, I think--about the dumbing-down of the Right over the last quarter-century:

This guy concludes that "the conservative intellectual tradition" is dead. I don't agree with that at all, but it's certainly not very evident at the moment. Get well soon, guys.


Catching up to this late, but David Brooks, who usually makes me gag, made many of the same points on TV and in this column.

Of course Brooks considers himself one of the elite pushed to the side, so there may be personal feelings intertwined.

Continuing the pile-on, Jeffrey Hart writes that The Republicans Are Now the Stupid Party

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Nov 09, 2008 20:59:14

karn wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
dajafi wrote:Great WSJ op-ed--by a liberal guest contributor, I think--about the dumbing-down of the Right over the last quarter-century:

This guy concludes that "the conservative intellectual tradition" is dead. I don't agree with that at all, but it's certainly not very evident at the moment. Get well soon, guys.


Catching up to this late, but David Brooks, who usually makes me gag, made many of the same points on TV and in this column.

Of course Brooks considers himself one of the elite pushed to the side, so there may be personal feelings intertwined.

Continuing the pile-on, Jeffrey Hart writes that The Republicans Are Now the Stupid Party


The religious right seems to have become a convenient whipping boy for Elitist conservatives. But I think that misses the real problem. The problem is that social conservatives are increasingly excluding traditional catholics and even midwestern non-evangelical social conservatives.

As far as I can see, no one is writing about this. But once you get past abortion, and to some extent, gay marriage type issues, there's not much traditional Catholics and evangelicals have to say to one another. On Israel, immigration, death penalty, even taxes, there are some lots of differences.
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