seke2 wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:

seke2 wrote:I don't think Obama supporters are necessarily contending that he has all this amazing experience. But he has a perspective, a world-view, and he's had about 6-8 years in the public eye to show the world what he wants to do. He's taken a stance on just about every notable issue and people know what he's about.

Perhaps Palin has those same things, and perhaps she's the Republican Obama...but 60 days is a very, very short time for her to convince people that her inexperience doesn't matter. Because obviously, most of Obama's supporters (myself included), are willing to overlook his relative inexperience because of his inspirational leadership abilities and his goals (whether or not he has the prior experience to necessarily make all of those goals a reality).

6-8 for Saint Barry, 13 for Gov Palin. And executive experience, which is totally mising on the Obama CV.

And all but 1.5 of those 13 were running a town of like 5000 people where it seems like her biggest issue was whether or not to build a sports stadium. I think that Obama's political experience trumps hers, except for maybe the last 1.5 years. Even as governor of Alaska, she only has, what, 500k constituents? That's less than Obama has ever had in any of his major roles. Definitely true that she had executive experience and Obama didn't, but we've had Presidents who didn't have executive experience before and they haven't all been disasters.

TomatoPie wrote:

seke2 wrote:I don't think Obama supporters are necessarily contending that he has all this amazing experience. But he has a perspective, a world-view, and he's had about 6-8 years in the public eye to show the world what he wants to do. He's taken a stance on just about every notable issue and people know what he's about.

Perhaps Palin has those same things, and perhaps she's the Republican Obama...but 60 days is a very, very short time for her to convince people that her inexperience doesn't matter. Because obviously, most of Obama's supporters (myself included), are willing to overlook his relative inexperience because of his inspirational leadership abilities and his goals (whether or not he has the prior experience to necessarily make all of those goals a reality).

6-8 for Saint Barry, 13 for Gov Palin. And executive experience, which is totally mising on the Obama CV.

VoxOrion wrote:Being a mayor or governor for a few years is light years closer to the job of being president compared to twaddling through the senate for 60 years or however long McCain and Biden (+ Obama) have been doing it.

VoxOrion wrote:I've had CNN and MSNBC on today

TenuredVulture wrote:

VoxOrion wrote:I've had CNN and MSNBC on today

I used to respect your opinion.

The Red Tornado wrote:

Warszawa wrote:I just have this feeling that the McCain/Palin ticket will go down in history the same way Mondale/Ferraro did. It smacks of loser.

They will get a lot more electoral votes than Mondale/Ferraro ever did-I think they only got Minnesota and DC

VoxOrion wrote:I was referring to the activities of being Mayor or Governor versus being a Senator. Scale is by no means unimportant, but experience performing the activites, regardless of scope, is worth something in my opinion. Those activities are certainly closer to the activities performed by the President than those of a Senator.

Sarah Palin will wow cultural conservatives in areas where they may not have come out to vote before the selection. This is right out of Karl Rove's strategy of getting more of your own to show up and vote.

However, in many of the swing states that Bush carried in 2004, there were anti gay ballot measures to motivate the cultural conservatives to vote. There are very few of these measures on the ballots in those key states in 2008. Palin may not be enough for them to get out and vote. Clearly Rove felt in 2004 that Bush would not have been enough, thus the ballot measures.

In fact, as Palin's cultural views become better known -- she oppose abortion in all cases and opposes the use of birth control pills and condoms even among married couples -- she will undoubtedly scare the hell out of the soccer moms and 98% of Hillary voters. In fact, many of these women may feel insulted by this choice in that McCain and the GOP think they are stupid and would bypass their own interest (reproductive and economic) to vote for the ticket due to gender and anger that Hillary was not the nominee.

dajafi wrote:Here's another criticism of the Palin pick. I don't know anything about this writer, so it doesn't register the same way that, say, Frum's does, but interesting anyway. There already seems to be a bit of this response among the public.

That said, "worst pick ever" strikes me as way too harsh. You simply can't top Quayle, an honest-to-goodness moron, or Ferraro, who was even more of a blatantly political pick than this one.

Sarah Palin will wow cultural conservatives in areas where they may not have come out to vote before the selection. This is right out of Karl Rove's strategy of getting more of your own to show up and vote.

However, in many of the swing states that Bush carried in 2004, there were anti gay ballot measures to motivate the cultural conservatives to vote. There are very few of these measures on the ballots in those key states in 2008. Palin may not be enough for them to get out and vote. Clearly Rove felt in 2004 that Bush would not have been enough, thus the ballot measures.

In fact, as Palin's cultural views become better known -- she oppose abortion in all cases and opposes the use of birth control pills and condoms even among married couples -- she will undoubtedly scare the hell out of the soccer moms and 98% of Hillary voters. In fact, many of these women may feel insulted by this choice in that McCain and the GOP think they are stupid and would bypass their own interest (reproductive and economic) to vote for the ticket due to gender and anger that Hillary was not the nominee.

The part I bolded is pretty hard to believe. Does she think we non-breeding marrieds should use the "rhythm method," totally forego sex, do what the teenagers do, or get divorced?

She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.

cshort wrote:

dajafi wrote:The part I bolded is pretty hard to believe. Does she think we non-breeding marrieds should use the "rhythm method," totally forego sex, do what the teenagers do, or get divorced?

This is one reason people have to do their own research. You rightfully pointed out the birth control section, which is flat out wrong.

From Time

She is Christian and pro-life, but also a supporter of birth control: she's a member of Feminists For Life (FFL), an anti-abortion, pro-contraception organization.

John McCain first met Governor Sarah Palin at the National Governors Association meeting in Washington in February of 2008 and came away extraordinarily impressed. John McCain followed her career and admired her tenacity and her many accomplishments. She was scheduled for a high profile speaking role at our convention and included in the VP selection process because of his admiration for her strong reform credentials. Last Sunday, Governor Palin and John McCain had a conversation over the phone. Governor Palin was at the Alaska State Fair, and John McCain was at his home at Phoenix. Previously, Rick Davis, John McCain's campaign manager, had also been in regular contact with the Governor as part of the on-going selection process. This past week, Governor Palin arrived with Kris Perry in Flagstaff, Arizona, on Wednesday evening. Upon arrival, Governor Palin and her longtime aide Kris Perry met with Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter of the McCain campaign at Mr. Bob Delgado's home in Flagstaff. Mr. Delgado is the CEO of the Hensley corporation, which is Mrs. Cindy McCain's family business. On Thursday morning, Governor Palin and staff were joined by Mrs. Cindy McCain and later joined by John McCain at the McCain family home in Sedona, Arizona. At approximately 11:00 a.m. Thursday August 28, 2008, John McCain formally invited Governor Sarah Palin to join the Republican ticket as the vice presidential nominee on the deck of the McCain family home.

cshort wrote:No prob. Time has a "10 things about Palin"that summarizes her life and career.