Shore wrote:I understand your position on 9/11. Please clarify your stance on:

1) Aliens.
2) The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The 9/11 Truthers claim that the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Okay.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition? Shows like this are all over The Discovery Channel. Do these people realize how all of the insulation and paneling must be stripped away from the support beams? Do they not understand how these beams must be cut open and the explosives placed with great care? Have they not any idea of the amount of time this takes -- months -- and the forest of wires that runs through the structure to the detonating mechanism? Have they given no thought -- none? -- to what an enormous job this is, and how much work goes into getting these explosives exactly where they need to be?

Apparently not. They just figure someone leaves a suitcase somewhere, I guess.

Anyone who has ever -- ever -- seen what is required to bring down a building of that size knows that the site is a disaster area of det cord, pulled paneling, and huge bundles of explosives taped to the structural columns across many floors. Has no one considered that this all had to be started after everyone went home on Monday night and before people reported for work the next day? On multiple floors of two of the busiest public spaces in the world?

No one noticed this on Tuesday morning? Hey Jim, what do you suppose that huge bundle of plastic explosives is doing there where the water cooler used to be? And where do those wires go? Well, must be some logical explanation. Let's get some coffee and bagels.

Now you're talking!

Of all the people in those buildings that morning, no one -- no one -- saw any wires anywhere? No one asked why the drywall was torn down and replaced with grey stuff duct-taped into place? None of the firemen rushing into those burning towers, checking all those floors for survivors -- none of them noticed the building was rigged to explode? That it might possibly be worth a small call on the radio?

My father was interred at Arlington National Cemetery in 2002. I will never forget that day. It changed my life, and it was the event that started me writing here at Eject! Eject! Eject!

The man who coordinated that service was on a hill about a half-mile from that side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th, 2001. He told me that they had been informed that something was going on in New York that morning. Then he heard something that he said he thought was a missile attack -- a roar so loud and so far beyond a normal jet sound that he looked up at that exact moment expecting to die.

What he saw emerge from the trees overhead, perhaps a hundred feet above him, was American Airlines Flight 77 as it went by in a silver blur, engines screaming in a power dive as it hit the near side of the Pentagon. He told me -- to my face -- that body parts had rained down all over that sacred field. Just like red hail on a summer day. Those body parts are buried in a special place at the base of that hill.

Now. If Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of that Lunatic Brigade is right and I am wrong, then that man -- that insignificant Army chaplain and his Honor Guard of forty men -- are all liars. He is lying to me for Halliburton and Big Oil. That Chaplain -- and all of those decent, patriotic young men in the Honor Guard, and all the commuters on the roads who saw an American Airlines jet instead of a missile -- all of those people are liars and accessories to murder. And all of the firefighters who went into buildings rigged to explode were pre-recruited suicide martyrs dying for George W. Bush's plans for world conquest. Remember: NOTHING that happened on September 11th needed any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact... namely, that Islamic terrorists hijacked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.

jerseyhoya wrote:The reason the government doesn’t debate these people is because the vast majority of Americans think they’re $#@! crazy. They don’t want to elevate and legitimate their wild theories by sharing a stage with them. The Popular Mechanics thing Woody linked to yesterday rebutted the more popular theories, the Rolling Stone article that dajafi linked to showed how absurd putting together the plans for bringing this off would have been.

Philly the Kid wrote: There are some serious serious questions and they have not all been debunked.

Woody wrote:This is possibly the greatest thing you'll ever read about conspiracy theorists. Interestingly, it mentions Occam's Razor right off the bat

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html

The 9/11 Truthers claim that the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Okay.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition? Shows like this are all over The Discovery Channel. Do these people realize how all of the insulation and paneling must be stripped away from the support beams? Do they not understand how these beams must be cut open and the explosives placed with great care? Have they not any idea of the amount of time this takes -- months -- and the forest of wires that runs through the structure to the detonating mechanism? Have they given no thought -- none? -- to what an enormous job this is, and how much work goes into getting these explosives exactly where they need to be?

Apparently not. They just figure someone leaves a suitcase somewhere, I guess.

Anyone who has ever -- ever -- seen what is required to bring down a building of that size knows that the site is a disaster area of det cord, pulled paneling, and huge bundles of explosives taped to the structural columns across many floors. Has no one considered that this all had to be started after everyone went home on Monday night and before people reported for work the next day? On multiple floors of two of the busiest public spaces in the world?

No one noticed this on Tuesday morning? Hey Jim, what do you suppose that huge bundle of plastic explosives is doing there where the water cooler used to be? And where do those wires go? Well, must be some logical explanation. Let's get some coffee and bagels.

Now you're talking!

Of all the people in those buildings that morning, no one -- no one -- saw any wires anywhere? No one asked why the drywall was torn down and replaced with grey stuff duct-taped into place? None of the firemen rushing into those burning towers, checking all those floors for survivors -- none of them noticed the building was rigged to explode? That it might possibly be worth a small call on the radio?

My father was interred at Arlington National Cemetery in 2002. I will never forget that day. It changed my life, and it was the event that started me writing here at Eject! Eject! Eject!

The man who coordinated that service was on a hill about a half-mile from that side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th, 2001. He told me that they had been informed that something was going on in New York that morning. Then he heard something that he said he thought was a missile attack -- a roar so loud and so far beyond a normal jet sound that he looked up at that exact moment expecting to die.

What he saw emerge from the trees overhead, perhaps a hundred feet above him, was American Airlines Flight 77 as it went by in a silver blur, engines screaming in a power dive as it hit the near side of the Pentagon. He told me -- to my face -- that body parts had rained down all over that sacred field. Just like red hail on a summer day. Those body parts are buried in a special place at the base of that hill.

Now. If Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of that Lunatic Brigade is right and I am wrong, then that man -- that insignificant Army chaplain and his Honor Guard of forty men -- are all liars. He is lying to me for Halliburton and Big Oil. That Chaplain -- and all of those decent, patriotic young men in the Honor Guard, and all the commuters on the roads who saw an American Airlines jet instead of a missile -- all of those people are liars and accessories to murder. And all of the firefighters who went into buildings rigged to explode were pre-recruited suicide martyrs dying for George W. Bush's plans for world conquest. Remember: NOTHING that happened on September 11th needed any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact... namely, that Islamic terrorists hijacked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.

p.s. P-t-k: so you know, I do plan to read and/or watch as much of the things you posted and respond. One of the first things I've noticed upon quick glance at your links is that a trained theologian has written many articles and books attempting to debunk the science-based 9/11 debunking work of trained engineers and physicists, including the Popular Mechanics piece. Muy interesante. I also notice that I can go watch an architect (note: not an engineer)explain to me how Building 7really fell (i'll bet it was via explosives!). His money quote: “Two small fires — even large, hot-burning, long-lasting fires — have never brought down a steel frame highrise building, ever." I haven't read or watched everything yet, but let's just say your sources aren't looking so credible thus far. And by the way--what's with these conspiracy theorists? Have they no sense of web design?

Philly the Kid wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:The reason the government doesn’t debate these people is because the vast majority of Americans think they’re $#@! crazy. They don’t want to elevate and legitimate their wild theories by sharing a stage with them. The Popular Mechanics thing Woody linked to yesterday rebutted the more popular theories, the Rolling Stone article that dajafi linked to showed how absurd putting together the plans for bringing this off would have been.

And there are times I would agree with not sharing the stage. But the people who have been researching and putting up alterante theories -- many of them are very credible. It's not David Koresh, Jim Jones and the Church of goofy and mickey.

Nova did a program as well, and I've heard that Nova program totally debunked. Clearly, no one here is going to accept anything I say, and will never be willing to really do the homework on their own. You are already conlcuded and satisfied and I will remain a gullible at best, and idiot at worst character. So I will bow out on this. Believe what you want. I'm not trying to convince you to beleive anything. I explained my views, and I think they are quite reasonable. There are some serious serious questions and they have not all been debunked.

And that's what power does. It doesn't allow any other faction to share the stage and debate on equal footing for fear of exposure. I've heard too many excuses over and over and over from "official govt" and "corporate sources". But some people trust in the system, believe the man, and think that they are either too stupid, too dis-organized or wouldn't dare. I don't beleive any of those things. I think the bigger the scale, the easier it is to pull of stuff like this -- by scale, I mean the size of populations and the way they form opinions about anything.