http://www.911forthetruth.com/

I know this guy. All the aforementioned descriptions fit him perfectly.

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

I don't need easy answers, you need difficult ones.

I believe Osama Bin Laden recruited and/or trained and/or funded a bunch of young militant men to hijack airplanes and crash them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Bush is not my big daddy and I don't believe his priority is necessarily "taking care of all his people". I'm sure there are many details or facts about 9/11 that we'll never know (mostly in order to save face for their incompetence, in my opinion), but that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

The better question is: Why don't you or can't you believe this?

And again, you've typed hundreds of words on this topic now today and have yet to provide a single shred of evidence--no link; not a single name (don't all of these experts and "credible non-political engineers and science people" have names?); not a single alternative explanation that isn't easily debunked; not a single reason for anyone here to dismiss you as anything but fringest of lunatic fringe.

Philly the Kid wrote:Again -- I don't know what happened. But there are many disturbing questions and coincidences. I do not deny that there are people from foreign lands who have been brainwashed (many of them orphans indoctronated at a young age) who hold the gun or wheel or trigger. But who funds them, trains them -- do people here deny Bin Laden's connection to Bush family?

Shocking that a man in the oil industry would have come across the Bin Laden family at some point.

Do you doubt that there have been/are many pro-western Bin Laden's so really his relationship with the family means nothing?

Woody wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

I don't need easy answers, you need difficult ones.

I believe Osama Bin Laden recruited and/or trained and/or funded a bunch of young militant men to hijack airplanes and crash them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Bush is not my big daddy and I don't believe his priority is necessarily "taking care of all his people". I'm sure there are many details or facts about 9/11 that we'll never know (mostly in order to save face for their incompetence, in my opinion), but that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

The better question is: Why don't you or can't you believe this?

And again, you've typed hundreds of words on this topic now today and have yet to provide a single shred of evidence--no link; not a single name (don't all of these experts and "credible non-political engineers and science people" have names?); not a single alternative explanation that isn't easily debunked; not a single reason for anyone here to dismiss you as anything but fringest of lunatic fringe.

Woody, look at you pwning like Shore. Nicely done.

If you want to believe something then 1 + 1 + 1 = 8.

Some of the items Ptk discusses are simple plans. Overthrowing a dictator can be as simple as sending an army into a building. That makes them believable. Here's where the problem comes in. Just because the CIA overthrew the Chilean government doesn't make anything else true. It opens the possibility, but that's it. That someone allegedly wrote a paper or benefitted from something is not evidence of anything. Unless you want it to be. If someone who is a physics or engineering expert says something contrary to what most everyone else says that doesn't make it true or the opposite false. Unless you want it to be. You should only believe it if you are a structural engineer or physicist.

Go back to the JFK assassination. Jim Marrs not only disproves the theory that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone but also disproves every single other theory out there. This includes pro-Castro Cubans, anti-Castro Cubans, the Soviets, the military, right wingers, left wingers, Lyndon Johnson, the FBI, CIA, and the mob. That's possible because whatever actually happened doesn't fit the facts that we know them. That's because some of the things we assume as facts aren't and some of the things we don't know prove something else. But it's not evidence that Oswald didn't act alone.

There may or may not be inconsistencies for 9/11 with the "official" story. The official story may not be entirely accurate, but it's the story that fits in with most known facts. Disproving some part of the theory doesn't make another theory true. This theory aligns with most of the known facts. Not being an engineer I don't accept anything any one engineer says as a fact. I do accept what I think is likely based on what seems reasonable. There's a big difference with thinking and knowing even for ptk. Many of the things ptk sites (Bush-bin Laden association, Bush's motives, building 7) is based on what he's been told. Unless you say these metal barges to China, how do you know it's true? Unless you've talked to Bush, how can you know their motives? Why accept one thing you've been told and not something else?

It seems like the further away someone is from something the more they rail against it. If you don't know greedy CEOs how can you know anything about them?

The CIA didn't overthrow the Chilean government.

Experts = Those in attendance at the Electric Kool Aid Acid Tests.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:The CIA didn't overthrow the Chilean government.

Or did they?

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meatball wrote:

Woody wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

I don't need easy answers, you need difficult ones.

I believe Osama Bin Laden recruited and/or trained and/or funded a bunch of young militant men to hijack airplanes and crash them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Bush is not my big daddy and I don't believe his priority is necessarily "taking care of all his people". I'm sure there are many details or facts about 9/11 that we'll never know (mostly in order to save face for their incompetence, in my opinion), but that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

The better question is: Why don't you or can't you believe this?

And again, you've typed hundreds of words on this topic now today and have yet to provide a single shred of evidence--no link; not a single name (don't all of these experts and "credible non-political engineers and science people" have names?); not a single alternative explanation that isn't easily debunked; not a single reason for anyone here to dismiss you as anything but fringest of lunatic fringe.

Woody, look at you pwning like Shore. Nicely done.

I'm honored to be associated with this. Conspiracy theory nonsense deserves every beatdown it gets.

Wait, wait, wait! I've got it. The fundamental problem with all the conspiracy theories is that in the end, they've failed! The Republicans are a dead political party, Rove quit in disgrace, Bush is going down in history as the worst President ever, isolationists, dirty hippies, and other paleo cons have made a roaring comeback, so, we may ask, what follows from this?

All this points to one person with the resources and know how to pull this off. George Soros. He knew that an attack on America would provoke an over-reaction by that doofus George Bush, he knew that the over reaction would be an invasion of Iraq, he knew that invasion would eventually turn unpopular, crippling the Republican revolution, and paving the way for Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, and Barack Obama to take over the world!

It's the only logical explanation.

^ I'll sign up for that one please. Well, add some Illuminati and Masons to it. I like when they factor in.

VoxOrion wrote:^ I'll sign up for that one please. Well, add some Illuminati and Masons to it. I like when they factor in.

I don't know about the Masons, but I'm sure Cokie Roberts is involved.

You guys are just buying into the Zionist conspiracy theories.

I think Bush was in on it with Soros. No one has been able to unite the Democratic Party and energize their base the way he has.

Laexile wrote:I think Bush was in on it with Soros. No one has been able to unite the Democratic Party and energize their base the way he has.

maybe Bush is Soros's puppet.

Wow. The New Yorker satirically makes fun of Republicans by exaggerating the ridiculousness of Obama as a Muslim terrorist and instead they end up making fun of Obama supporters lacking a sense of humor. It's not like they haven't done it before.

Woody wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

... that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

Perhaps the most common sensical clue... if Bush & Co. had any involvement, Dubya would have had the "crisis president" act down pat, immediately jumping into action to lead the country in the moment of crisis instead of just sitting there in the school with a dumbfounded look on his face, not knowing what the heck to do.

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

Woody wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

... that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

Perhaps the most common sensical clue... if Bush & Co. had any involvement, Dubya would have had the "crisis president" act down pat, immediately jumping into action to lead the country in the moment of crisis instead of just sitting there in the school with a dumbfounded look on his face, not knowing what the heck to do.

You forgot the vital dichotomy of these things. Bush is at once the stupidest man to ever brush his teeth at the white house while at the same time he is the most dangerous man to ever live.

(usually when this is pointed out, the Truther says something to the effect that Bush is being controlled by Jewish overlords or something)

VoxOrion wrote:

Phan In Phlorida wrote:

Woody wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:I find your constant need for sarcasm and flippancy and need for easy answers - quite amusing. What do you believe Woodrow? The big daddy in the White House is up there taking care of all his people?

... that doesn't mean Bush and his buddies are insane masterminds hellbent on murdering Americans in an elaborately planned theatrical event for their own personal and/or political gain.

Perhaps the most common sensical clue... if Bush & Co. had any involvement, Dubya would have had the "crisis president" act down pat, immediately jumping into action to lead the country in the moment of crisis instead of just sitting there in the school with a dumbfounded look on his face, not knowing what the heck to do.

You forgot the vital dichotomy of these things. Bush is at once the stupidest man to ever brush his teeth at the white house while at the same time he is the most dangerous man to ever live.

(usually when this is pointed out, the Truther says something to the effect that Bush is being controlled by Jewish overlords or something)

Bush is cokie roberts. I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?