Politics: Sorta Black guy v Sorta Old Guy

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Jun 07, 2008 18:04:01

Disco Stu wrote:Where are you going to put all the waste material. There is a ton of radioactive waste producted from nuclear fusion. You can't just hide this stuff and it is too expensive to send it into the sun ala Superman and nukes. You end up with it getting into the ground water and causing cancer for babies.

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Postby dajafi » Sat Jun 07, 2008 19:22:40

VoxOrion wrote:This is why there isn't more nuclear power in the US.

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Clearly it was going to be Jane Fonda's fault in some way.

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Postby Laexile » Sun Jun 08, 2008 00:15:41

swishnicholson wrote:
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dajafi, I always find it odd when people think McCain is taking an opportunistic stance. While he's certainly done opportunistic things (not talking about his abortion stance, courting Hagee) he doesn't take opportunistic positions. When Romney told people in Michigan he'd get their jobs back McCain said they weren't coming back.



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June 5 (Bloomberg) -- In January, John McCain campaigned for the Republican nomination in Michigan by giving voters in the economically depressed state a taste of his signature ``straight talk'': some of the jobs they've lost won't be coming back.

Nowadays, the party's presumptive nominee is singing a different tune, striking a populist pose and saying ``new jobs are coming.''

How is this a different tune? Your old jobs aren't coming back. There will be new jobs. That's what he said in January. Instead of waiting for the jobs you've lost to come back you'll need to be retrained for jobs that will exist in the economy as it is now. Do you expect McCain to campaign on the idea that he won't generate new jobs and people will be unemployed? If so, he'd be the first.
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:38:21

dajafi wrote: I think there is some huge regulatory bottleneck, based on something I read a year or so ago--can't remember the specifics.


Dunno about the regulatory burden (which quickly translates to cost of construction/production) , but this NYTimes Week in Review piece on carbon, which briefly contrasts coal v nuclear, does a good basic job of summarizing the conundrum of doing something new in the "centralized power generation" dept.
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Postby drsmooth » Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:31:05

philliesphhan wrote:Yeah, so Hillary just endorsed Obama


just now reading of her concession speech, in which she apparently used the term 'grit' in praise of the Dems '08 standardbearer, and, in a nod to one of dajafi's labels for her(?), the term 'perpetual'.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Sun Jun 08, 2008 17:39:48

Polling: Baseball's Stat Star on Campaign 2008

Nate Silver gets the Newsweek treatment.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Jun 09, 2008 15:55:29

McCain campaign strategy briefing

I've got this on now. Fascinating. I think it's a bit optimistic for McCain's purposes (Obama's support might be at a floor, McCain's near a ceiling, particularly on fav/unfav), but not a snow job either. Hope they keep doing these.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Jun 09, 2008 15:58:36

A recent poll shows Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich leading incumbent Ted Stevens in the U.S. Senate race.

The survey found 51 percent of those responding would vote for Begich in November’s general election, compared to 44 percent who said they would back Stevens.

The poll indicates Begich is gaining name recognition across the state, but Stevens, who’s served in the Senate since 1968, also remains popular.

Some 58 percent of responders said they felt very or somewhat positive toward Begich, while only 16 percent had a negative opinion of the 45-year-old Democratic mayor. Eleven percent of those responding didn’t know of Begich.

For Stevens, the numbers were a little closer — 49 percent had a positive opinion, while 40 percent had a negative opinion. All of the survey’s 269 responders knew Stevens was the state’s senior senator.


A net positive fav rating for Stevens, and he's losing by 7. Um, righto. Onward and upward to 60 for the Dems.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Jun 09, 2008 16:11:17

dajafi wrote:McCain campaign strategy briefing

I've got this on now. Fascinating. I think it's a bit optimistic for McCain's purposes (Obama's support might be at a floor, McCain's near a ceiling, particularly on fav/unfav), but not a snow job either. Hope they keep doing these.


Well, having listened to the whole thing I admire Rick Davis's capacity for positive spin: comparing Obama's April burn rate--when he was actively competing--with McCain's, doesn't seem particularly relevant for anything other than bucking up the little campers. Combining campaign fundraising with RNC/DNC numbers might be a bit more relevant, though (j-hoya question) don't the national committees have other significant and more or less non-negotiable obligations in addition to serving as a second piggybank for the presidential candidates?

I just don't see how McCain wins the argument on the economy while staying committed to Bush's policies. And if Barr or some other third-party candidate goes after him hard on immigration and gets to 8 percent or so, it could get really ugly in terms of the electoral college.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Jun 09, 2008 16:19:37

dajafi wrote:Combining campaign fundraising with RNC/DNC numbers might be a bit more relevant, though (j-hoya question) don't the national committees have other significant and more or less non-negotiable obligations in addition to serving as a second piggybank for the presidential candidates?


They do help fund state parties, and sometimes help with Senate or House races, but I think they'll generally focus on stuff like GOTV, research and media efforts for the presidential.

The RNC does have a crapload of money, but Obama + DNC is going to be a bigger number in the end. By a lot if Obama foregoes public financing.

McCain and the RNC are basically the same thing at the moment, though. They're setting up most of his field staff, I think. He's setting policy there now, not Bush.

In other news, Zimmer and Lautenberg are close according to this Rasmussen poll. Nice to see the GOP hopes in NJ raised early this cycle.

Democrat Frank Lautenberg, seeking a fifth term in the U.S. Senate, is in a virtual tie with Republican challenger Dick Zimmer in New Jersey, according to the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey.

Forty-five percent (45%) of likely voters in the predominantly Democratic state favor Lautenberg, while 44% are backing Zimmer, a former U.S. congressman who is running as a fiscal conservative.

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Postby dajafi » Mon Jun 09, 2008 16:22:48

I think Dick Polman wrote this recently, but the Zimmer/Lautenberg race reminds me of it (counterintuitive though this might sound): a good argument for McCain could be that Americans prefer divided government and the Democrats are pretty much a lock to keep control in Congress. Problem is that it's tough to make that argument running as the embodiment of your party...

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Postby TheDude24 » Mon Jun 09, 2008 17:42:52

Woody wrote:I agree on the nuke plants. What is the reason there hasn't been any built in so long? (3-mile island type stuff?)


Because we gave the terrorists some good ideas during 24, season 4.

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Postby mpmcgraw » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:16:05

If Obama wins NJ I would be surprised.

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Postby Disco Stu » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:24:31

TenuredVulture wrote:
Disco Stu wrote:Where are you going to put all the waste material. There is a ton of radioactive waste producted from nuclear fusion. You can't just hide this stuff and it is too expensive to send it into the sun ala Superman and nukes. You end up with it getting into the ground water and causing cancer for babies.


Ah, but is nuclear waste more or less harmful than emissions and waste from coal plants, not to mention the horrible environmental damage done by coal mining?

Lots of people who live near refineries get cancer.


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Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:25:52

mpmcgraw wrote:If Obama wins NJ I would be surprised.


If Obama loses New Jersey, I will be beyond shocked.

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Postby mpmcgraw » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:34:23

I am fairly certian that Obama will get far less votes from Dems than previous dem candidates have.

Around here its very Pro-Clinton and Anti-Obama likely because of race.

We'll see, it might change in a few months but teh old guys around here don't like Obama and people my age don't like Obama. Maybe its contained to a smaller area than I think, but is pretty scarey.

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Postby lethal » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:36:46

NJ still has that tight Senate race. Are dem voters going to go vote for Lautenberg, but not Obama? I can't see most of them voting for McCain, so they just leave the top of the ticket empty?

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Postby mpmcgraw » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:38:24

Well apparently SJ voters are unmotivated to vote for Lautenberg after their guy got throttled, or so I am told.

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Postby philliesphhan » Mon Jun 09, 2008 20:46:58

mpmcgraw wrote:We'll see, it might change in a few months but teh old guys around here don't like Obama and people my age don't like Obama.


How old are you?
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Postby mpmcgraw » Mon Jun 09, 2008 21:18:31

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