jerseyhoya wrote:Warren Christopher is the biggest sissy I've ever seen.

jerseyhoya wrote:Seriously pretty good flick. I think more of Gore than I did at the start. I think it was probably pretty historically accurate.

Nice way to spend a Sunday evening.

TomatoPie wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Seriously pretty good flick. I think more of Gore than I did at the start. I think it was probably pretty historically accurate.

Nice way to spend a Sunday evening.

Dude, you just watched a Democrat's version of events. Naturally Gore is gonna look good. Only in Hollywood -- the Losers write the history.

TomatoPie wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Seriously pretty good flick. I think more of Gore than I did at the start. I think it was probably pretty historically accurate.

Nice way to spend a Sunday evening.

Dude, you just watched a Democrat's version of events. Naturally Gore is gonna look good. Only in Hollywood -- the Losers write the history.

The Red Tornado wrote:Bob Barr is the Libertarian party's presidential nominee.

Not sure if I like the choice, it appears the Libertarians are more concerned with business than personal freedoms.

Christine Smith has a strict libertarian stance on domestic and foreign policy. She declared that she would start a withdrawal plan for the War in Iraq from the first day she is nominated president. Additionally, she advocates withdrawing U.S. troops that are deployed all around the world. She is against welfare programs and government spending, believing that these are fundamentally corrupt. She advocates abolishing most government programs, including the Federal Reserve, Internal Revenue Service, War on Drugs, the National ID card, internet regulation and prosecution of victimless crimes. She is a strong opponent of U.S. corporate welfare policies, seeing them as the result of corruption and inefficiency. Believing that free markets and free trade are would raise the standard of living, she advocates a strong monetary system and private property rights. She strongly abides[citation needed] by the U.S. constitution, personal freedom and privacy. She claims that the U.S. healthcare system is getting worse because of too much government intervention, corruption and corporatism. On education issues, she is a firm supporter of privatization and homeschooling. She supports abortion, but opposes funding for stem cell research. She supports local control over pollution and conservation over the federal level. She supports private property rights and abolishing government corruption to reduce pollution

Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain said last week he did not think he needed to accept criticism of his handling of veterans affairs from Obama, who did "not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform."

Laexile wrote:He's saying that someone who didn't serve shouldn't be saying that someone who did doesn't care about veterans and understand their situation. I'm sure he would say the same if you also said you knew what was better for veterans.

kimbatiste wrote:

Laexile wrote:He's saying that someone who didn't serve shouldn't be saying that someone who did doesn't care about veterans and understand their situation. I'm sure he would say the same if you also said you knew what was better for veterans.

Is it not up for debate that someone who didn't serve might still know better how to care for veterans?

pacino wrote:1. Obama is campaigning hard in Montana and South Dakota and Hillary is all over Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico means nothing in regards to the actual election. What exactly is her strategy?

2. McCain:

Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain said last week he did not think he needed to accept criticism of his handling of veterans affairs from Obama, who did "not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform."

uh, i didn't serve either. do i suck too? most people didn't serve.

Mr. Bush — and, to his great discredit, Senator John McCain — have argued against a better G.I. Bill, for the worst reasons. They would prefer that college benefits for service members remain just mediocre enough that people in uniform are more likely to stay put.

They have seized on a prediction by the Congressional Budget Office that new, better benefits would decrease re-enlistments by 16 percent, which sounds ominous if you are trying — as Mr. Bush and Mr. McCain are — to defend a never-ending war at a time when extended tours of duty have sapped morale and strained recruiting to the breaking point.

Their reasoning is flawed since the C.B.O. has also predicted that the bill would offset the re-enlistment decline by increasing new recruits — by 16 percent. The chance of a real shot at a college education turns out to be as strong a lure as ever. This is good news for our punishingly overburdened volunteer army, which needs all the smart, ambitious strivers it can get.

[T]he popularity of Webb's "new GI Bill" has put John McCain in an extraordinarily awkward spot. McCain, along with Lindsey Graham, Richard Burr, and other senators known for their hawkish credentials, opposed Webb's proposal on the grounds that it would undermine the military's efforts to retain personnel; in its place, they proposed an educational benefit that became more generous the longer an individual service member served. (When Obama criticized McCain for opposing the Webb proposal, McCain responded angrily, accusing Obama of demagoguing a complex issue.) But whether or not McCain and his allies were right on the merits -- it is by no means obvious that they were not -- there is no denying that the Virginia Senator has successfully maneuvered the presumptive Republican nominee into the profoundly unpopular position of being against a measure designed to honor the service and the sacrifice of veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. Can Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius say the same thing? Or Ohio Governor Ted Strickland? Former Georgia Senator Sam Nunn has been praised for his national security expertise. But did he resign from the Reagan-era Pentagon, as Webb did, after resisting orders to downsize the Navy?

The question is no longer whether Barack Obama should select Jim Webb as his nominee. It is whether he can justify not doing so.

"The real issue is this: Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?" - Howard Dean

jerseyhoya wrote:

"The real issue is this: Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?" - Howard Dean

It's $#@! politics. People use arguments of convenience all the time. Last time you guys had a vet running, and it was the most important thing in the world. Now we do, so it's the most important thing in the world to us.