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So, for VP:


Jim Webb
Ed Rendell
Al Gore
John Edwards
Joe Schmo
Jon Doe
???

you suck

hilery

I thought the title said the Wrath of Karn.

I got excited.

Oh, crap. Two politics thread.

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I think Barack is tired.

Wes Clark. For many of the same reasons as Webb, but to not lose Webb's seat in the Senate and also an olive branch (admittedly a slight one) to the Hillary crowd.

As for the argument in the closed thread that Democrats and liberals run the risk of losing with Obama by believing his appeal is broader than it is, I find that bogus.

A big reason Kerry won the nomination in 2004 is that a lot of Democrats held their noses and supported someone they kinda liked, definitely respected but mainly thought could win because of his finances and the fact that he was a decorated war veteran.

Mike Kinsley at the time wrote a great column about how Democrats were making a mistake in backing someone on their idea of electability, rather than going with their hearts (presumably, Howard Dean).

I think those of us that support Obama this time are going with our hearts - but we also see a rock star. A guy who is so likeable and charismatic when he speaks that we believe he'll smooth over plenty of doubts and make people who are on the fence like him. He's my choice AND I think he's electable. I didn't feel that way in 2004. A lot of Democrats didn't feel that way in 1992 (although I did).

Yes, I'm one of those coastal educated elites (as if that's anything to apologize for - I help pay for the shot-and-a-beer crowd's healthcare, they aren't contributing to mine), one of those "I don't know anyone who voted for Bush" types.

I also strongly believe Obama will win, and comfortably this fall. Say 53-47 in the popular vote.

jerseyhoya wrote: I think Barack is tired.

I was at the gym last night and CNN was on, and I thought I saw they had him saying "57 states" on the closed-captioning. Figured it was a typo... yeah, he's sick of this. Like most of us.

Presumably Webb's Senate seat would be filled by a Dem considering Kaine is the governor through 2009.

jerseyhoya wrote:Presumably Webb's Senate seat would be filled by a Dem considering Kaine is the governor through 2009.

Yes, until a special election. VA is trending purple and I do expect Mark Warner to win John Warner's seat, but I'd still give Republicans at least a 50-50 chance to win a special election for a seat vacated by Webb.

Mark Sanford and Charlie Crist - solid picks, but unlikely to expand the appeal to independents

Bobby Jindal - Exciting pick, but unlikely to expand the appeal to independents

Romney, Rudy, Huckleberry: Better to have a forward looking pick. No thanks.

Joey Lieberman: Na Ga Da.

Alaska’s “hottie” Republican governor, Sarah Palin, is a character straight out of the now defunct television classic Northern Exposure. This former beauty queen is ethical to the point where it almost cost her a political career, filing accusations of ethics violations against some of the most important Alaskan Republican officials. She has become an antidote to tales of woe and Republican corruption that seem to find their way out of Alaska in an almost weekly basis. Refreshingly honest, Palin, 43, even admits that when marijuana was legal in Alaska, she tried it, inhaled, but did not like it!

A really "sexy" pick, but if we want to make the case that Obama lacks experience, she doesn't help. Not in 2008.

Tim Pawlenty, John Thune, Jeb Bush, JC Watts? Long shots.

Tim Pawlenty, who I'm totally in the tank for for reasons already discussed here, is much more than a long shot.

I look forward to the Palin-Sebelius race in 2016.

Please, please, PLEASE pick Jeb! as McCain's running mate.

I think it'll be Sanford or Pawlenty.

TomatoPie wrote:Jeb Bush, Long shots.

If McCain nominets Jeb Bush, I think the Democrats might run the table, though Utah I guess might a bit close.

I don't think Edwards will be a VP candidate, nor a Wes Clark.

What about Bill Richardson? A governor?

Webb seems like a solid choice if he's willing.

BuddyGroom wrote:Mike Kinsley at the time wrote a great column about how Democrats were making a mistake in backing someone on their idea of electability, rather than going with their hearts (presumably, Howard Dean).

The problem with Dems is it seems they don't really know what "electability" is.

Something I recall from observing '04, it was kinda like watching someone playing poker for the first time (not Kerry in particular, but the Dems in general).

BuddyGroom wrote:I think those of us that support Obama this time are going with our hearts - but we also see a rock star.

The "rock star" thing may actually be something that works against him. Sorta like how some folks dispise certain popular artists or American Idol or the like. For some people, it's just a turn off. Same for the "enthusiastic supporter atmosphere" that surrounds him, for some folks it seems a bit cult-like and thus a turn off.

BuddyGroom wrote:A guy who is so likeable and charismatic when he speaks that we believe he'll smooth over plenty of doubts and make people who are on the fence like him. He's my choice AND I think he's electable. I didn't feel that way in 2004. A lot of Democrats didn't feel that way in 1992 (although I did).

Although I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, for some unknown reason I have been able to predict who wins the White House since 1984. It's a gift, and a curse (Adrian Monk reference ). So there should be a big bux bidding war between the RNC and DNC for my consulting services I don't really know why, I'm not really a political wonk, I guess it's just mostly gut feelings (zOMG, mebbe I'm psychic!). I felt Clinton would win in '92 very early in the primary race (back when everyone was still learning how to pronounce "Tsongas", long before Clinton went on Arsenio Hall). I knew GWB would beat Kerry rather early in the race. 2K and '04 were conflicting, while my mind was saying "no way this idjit wins", my gut had that feeling of likely reality. Doesn't matter who I want to win, I know if I'm casting a winning or losing vote long before I step in the booth. For some unknown reason I just know who's going to win. Dammit, I wish I were able to do this for more important things... like baseball or the Super Bowl or the lottery!

Brian Schweitzer might be an interesting choice for Obama's Veep... put his dog in some ads and give middle America the warm fuzzies. Too bad the VP has to be a natural-born citizen like the Prez, or McCain coulda picked Ahnold.

People vote for the top of the ticket, so who the VP is doesn't matter much (with the possible exception of potentially carrying the VP's state).

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Brian Schweitzer might be an interesting choice for Obama's Veep... put his dog in some ads and give middle America the warm fuzzies. Too bad the VP has to be a natural-born citizen like the Prez, or McCain coulda picked Ahnold.

People vote for the top of the ticket, so who the VP is doesn't matter much (with the possible exception of potentially carrying the VP's state).

Didn't Clinton lose Tenn with Gore one year?

I don't know if VPs carry their state -- should look that one up....

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Brian Schweitzer might be an interesting choice for Obama's Veep... put his dog in some ads and give middle America the warm fuzzies. Too bad the VP has to be a natural-born citizen like the Prez, or McCain coulda picked Ahnold.

People vote for the top of the ticket, so who the VP is doesn't matter much (with the possible exception of potentially carrying the VP's state).

I was in the room when someone told Arnold he should be the VP. He could have said he had the best job now or that it was flattering, but he said, "Unfortunately, the Constitution doesn't allow it." He'd be incredible for the ticket.

I can see why Barack Obama is beating Clinton. She's limiting herself to 50 states.

Gore lost Tennessee in 2000. If he'd been able to win his home state he would've been President.