Politics: The Wrath of Veep

Postby The Red Tornado » Fri May 16, 2008 11:22:44

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Postby BuddyGroom » Fri May 16, 2008 11:39:00

I'm sure the chick who sends e-mails about "B. Hussein Obama" on MySpace will just love the Roswell thing. I can hardly wait for her to send it to me.
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Postby BuddyGroom » Fri May 16, 2008 11:41:16

traderdave wrote:
dajafi wrote:As I hope we all know, no political party or faction or ideological grouping, has a monopoly on obnoxious stupidity and ignorance.

That said, I think we've found the HAMELS embodiment of the Age of Bush. This is an absolute jaw-dropper.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs[/youtube]

How this individual manages to dress and feed himself, let alone host a radio show, is way, way beyond my comprehension. Matthews is an equal-opportunity hardass as questioner, as that unfortunate Obama surrogate found out a couple months back. But he actually fulfills a journalistic function here; I'm almost kinda sorta proud that he's a Phillies fan.


Yeah, the important thing for me is that he busts on ANYBODY he thinks isn't pulling his weight, as the Obama surrogate learned. I think Matthews can be annoying (much like pretty much every other host on TV and/or radio) but he is also one of the people I enjoy watching the most.


The thing that kills me is that Kevin James still would not shut up. He actually thought he had a point to make. Is it that these people do not learn, or cannot learn?
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri May 16, 2008 11:58:40

Woody wrote:That was amazing.

"Kevin, when you're in a hole, stop digging"

:lol:


Bet that comedian from King Of Queens is considering changing his stage name now.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri May 16, 2008 12:07:04

jerseyhoya wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:What was he thinking? Was he thinking?


That Iran getting nuclear weapons is a real threat to the very existence of Israel. And that millions of Jews are in danger if Iran gets nukes. I think that's what he was going for. The passage went over well with those at the speech.


But to invoke the Nazis? Maybe today he'll eat a ham sandwitch in a synagogue.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri May 16, 2008 12:10:26

Woody wrote:They're really not aliens? :(


No worries Wood, alien sperms can time travel.
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Postby traderdave » Fri May 16, 2008 12:27:33

BuddyGroom wrote:
traderdave wrote:
dajafi wrote:As I hope we all know, no political party or faction or ideological grouping, has a monopoly on obnoxious stupidity and ignorance.

That said, I think we've found the HAMELS embodiment of the Age of Bush. This is an absolute jaw-dropper.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs[/youtube]

How this individual manages to dress and feed himself, let alone host a radio show, is way, way beyond my comprehension. Matthews is an equal-opportunity hardass as questioner, as that unfortunate Obama surrogate found out a couple months back. But he actually fulfills a journalistic function here; I'm almost kinda sorta proud that he's a Phillies fan.


Yeah, the important thing for me is that he busts on ANYBODY he thinks isn't pulling his weight, as the Obama surrogate learned. I think Matthews can be annoying (much like pretty much every other host on TV and/or radio) but he is also one of the people I enjoy watching the most.


The thing that kills me is that Kevin James still would not shut up. He actually thought he had a point to make. Is it that these people do not learn, or cannot learn?


Well you know how that goes; he knew he was sinking so he kept trying to bail out the water. We have all done that at least once in our lives. The problem for him was that the more he talked it just became more and more obvious that he was clueless.

Now I have to admit that I'm not sure I would've come up with the right answer either but I don't go around arguing history or hosting talk shows and I certainly don't take on Chris Matthews. :lol:

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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri May 16, 2008 12:34:29

Anyone else think that Kevin James fella thinks Neville Chamberlain is that singer from New Orleans with the distinctive falsetto voice?

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Postby drsmooth » Fri May 16, 2008 12:34:51

BuddyGroom wrote:The thing that kills me is that Kevin James still would not shut up. He actually thought he had a point to make. Is it that these people do not learn, or cannot learn?


your fraternity must have been one of those nerdy 'debating societies'
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Postby dajafi » Fri May 16, 2008 12:42:39

This raised my eyebrows (note: not a euphemism):

Did you know that a half a million African Americans Georgia are eligible to vote but haven't registered? The Obama campaign knows this. And they plan to register these voters by November, campaign folks say.

The New York Times reports today on how his campaign has already increased turnout in the South among African Americans. As astounding as some of the numbers cited by the Times are, what the Obama campaign plans for the summer and fall are incredible, as in, barely credible, until you arrive at the conclusion that they've met most of their incredible goals (1.5 million donors) before.


I've heard the theory that Bob Barr, a GA native, could help tip that deep red state into play. I didn't buy it before. But if Obama registers half those folks, though, and gets them to come out, maybe it could happen.

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Postby dajafi » Fri May 16, 2008 12:47:15

The NYT hearts GWB:

The bill is an inglorious piece of work tailored to the needs of big agriculture and championed by not only the usual bipartisan farm state legislators but also the Democratic leaders, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Every five years we get a new farm bill, and each time we are reminded that even reformers like Ms. Pelosi cannot resist the blandishments and power of the farmers.

The bill includes the usual favors like the tax break for racehorse breeders pushed by Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate minority leader. But the greater and more embarrassing defect is that the bill perpetuates the old subsidies for agriculture at a time when the prices that farmers are getting for big row crops like corn, soybeans and wheat have never been better. Net farm income is up 50 percent.

The legislation preserves an indefensible program of direct payments amounting to about $5 billion a year that flow in good times and bad. It raises support levels for wheat and soybeans, while adding several new crops to the list in a way that will make it easier for farmers to raid the federal Treasury even when prices go up.

The bill has some virtues. It increases spending for food stamps. It encourages farmers to preserve land that would otherwise be lost to suburban development and provides modest help to organic farmers. It trims (but not nearly enough) the unnecessary tax subsidy for corn ethanol. It provides $400 million to reduce polluted runoff into Chesapeake Bay.

But none of that justifies the legislation’s enormous defects. Indeed, even the increases in conservation spending are not nearly as generous as advertised. President Bush asked for $4 billion more than Congress provided. He also complained, rightly, that House and Senate conferees had killed a program to conserve rare prairie grasslands while narrowing two programs that paid farmers to protect wetlands and wildlife habitat.


I understand that McCain opposes the bill but didn't vote on it. Clinton supports it; Obama characterized it as flawed but worthwhile. McCain's right on this one.

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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri May 16, 2008 12:51:23

In the next 50 years the "majority" (aka white folks) will no longer be a majority.

I wonder if...

a-we will become a one party system, all democrats?
b-the republicans find a way to be appealing to other races aside from caucasions and hispanics?
c-minorities becoming the majority (and getting more power and $$) will start finding the republicans appealing without them changing?
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 16, 2008 12:51:24

The Washington Post was a lot more explicit in calling out Obama, dissing Clinton and applauding McCain.

While none of the presidential candidates left the campaign trail to vote on the bill, one -- Republican Sen. John McCain -- unequivocally opposed it. It may not be terribly surprising that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) hailed the bill's passage during a campaign swing through South Dakota. It's a bit more disappointing to hear Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), running on a promise to oppose politics as usual, say he applauded the bill. In Iowa last August, Mr. Obama said, "When the farm bill comes up in the Senate, I will be fighting to tell all those agribusiness lobbyists that they won't be able to count on the multimillion-dollar subsidies they always get because we're going to put family farmers first." Yesterday, he said, "With so much at stake, we cannot make the perfect the enemy of the good." On this issue, Mr. McCain, not his likely Democratic opponent, was the apostle of change.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/15/AR2008051503706.html

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Postby dajafi » Fri May 16, 2008 13:03:05

The Red Tornado wrote:In the next 50 years the "majority" (aka white folks) will no longer be a majority.

I wonder if...

a-we will become a one party system, all democrats?
b-the republicans find a way to be appealing to other races aside from caucasions and hispanics?
c-minorities becoming the majority (and getting more power and $$) will start finding the republicans appealing without them changing?


Hoping for B, and thinking that's what will happen.

What's nice is that the Republicans can do this without abandoning "conservative" principles (small government, skepticism about the limits of power, etc)--they just have to stop all the DeLay/Cheney priorities, which are a perversion of conservatism anyway.

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Postby pacino » Fri May 16, 2008 13:12:46

2/3 of the bill was towards food stamps, food banks, and nutrition programs. Kind of hard to vote against that.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Fri May 16, 2008 13:17:53

Fascinating article from TNR on why the Clinton campaign failed from the perspective of insiders on the campaign.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915

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Postby jeff2sf » Fri May 16, 2008 13:22:25

pacino wrote:2/3 of the bill was towards food stamps, food banks, and nutrition programs. Kind of hard to vote against that.


Come on, don't make excuses for it. It was a bad bill to approve. If 99% of the funds of a bill goes to cancer research and the other 1% goes to killing kids with cancer, do you vote for the bill? Of course you don't. Food stamps wasn't going to go away, so just come up with a better bill.
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Postby dajafi » Fri May 16, 2008 13:32:24

jeff2sf wrote:
pacino wrote:2/3 of the bill was towards food stamps, food banks, and nutrition programs. Kind of hard to vote against that.


Come on, don't make excuses for it. It was a bad bill to approve. If 99% of the funds of a bill goes to cancer research and the other 1% goes to killing kids with cancer, do you vote for the bill? Of course you don't. Food stamps wasn't going to go away, so just come up with a better bill.


I agree with you, but it takes time to "come up with a better bill." If they'd scratched this one, they would have had to go home next week and take a lot of crap from constituents. It would have been the right thing to do, but probably more politically painful than most of them could stand.

The flaw wasn't passing it now, but how they negotiated the thing over the last year and a half. Unfortunately, a lot of the advocates I know and work with were strongly for this thing, solely because of the Food Stamps and the related workforce program (which is a good one). Their fight should have been to pass those measures separately, without the subsidies.

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Postby jeff2sf » Fri May 16, 2008 13:40:52

Right, and excuse me if I ask that my senators do the right thing. Obama should be better than this. He didn't resort to this crap with the gas holiday even though that might have looked good for the constituents.

I'm not saying I'm switching my vote from Obama to McCain, but it's just a bad, bad job by him. Say it, move on, don't make excuses.
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Postby Trent Steele » Fri May 16, 2008 13:42:56

traderdave wrote:
dajafi wrote:As I hope we all know, no political party or faction or ideological grouping, has a monopoly on obnoxious stupidity and ignorance.

That said, I think we've found the HAMELS embodiment of the Age of Bush. This is an absolute jaw-dropper.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs[/youtube]

How this individual manages to dress and feed himself, let alone host a radio show, is way, way beyond my comprehension. Matthews is an equal-opportunity hardass as questioner, as that unfortunate Obama surrogate found out a couple months back. But he actually fulfills a journalistic function here; I'm almost kinda sorta proud that he's a Phillies fan.


Yeah, the important thing for me is that he busts on ANYBODY he thinks isn't pulling his weight, as the Obama surrogate learned. I think Matthews can be annoying (much like pretty much every other host on TV and/or radio) but he is also one of the people I enjoy watching the most.


That was LOLlicrackers.

WHAT DID NEVILLE CHAMBERLIN DO?

HE WAS AN APPEASER. HE APPEASED.
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